Greg Minnaar Off Santa Cruz & Reportedly on Norco for 2024

Dec 2, 2023 at 12:56
by Brian Park  
It would be a big day for Minnaar after shaky start to his season.
Despite 15th place in the 2023 overall, Greg did take 2nd at the rain-soaked Andorra round this year.


Greg Minnaar is widely regarded as the greatest DH racer of his generation. He's been on the Santa Cruz Syndicate team for many years, but over the past few months there have been persistent rumours about his future for 2024. Would he retire after a challenging 2023 season? Would he chase a short term, high dollar deal elsewhere? Would Santa Cruz offer him a long term deal to finish out his career? Is he targeting an Alonso-style resurgence?

It now appears that the Minnaar off Syndicate rumours are likely to be true. Multiple people with knowledge of the situation have told Pinkbike that Greg is not on Santa Cruz in 2024. Further, we are told that a deal with Norco has been agreed. It should be stressed that this hasn't been officially announced by any of the people involved, and should still be taken with a grain of salt.


Greg Minnaar out for revenge following the back injury here that side-lined him in 2022.
Minnaar showed flashes of brilliance in a difficult 2023 season.


Minnaar first joined the Santa Cruz Syndicate in 2008, alongside Steve Peat, Nathan Rennie, and Josh Bryceland. The 42-year-old South African DH racer is a four-time world champion, has earned three UCI world cup DH overall titles, and won a record 22 world cup victories in his career.

A hat tip to the Making Up the Numbers podcast. They were not the source of our reporting, but they were the first to address the rumour publicly yesterday. (listen below around the 10-minute mark) Norco's 2024 world cup race team lineup hasn't been confirmed, but in 2023 it was Gracey Hemstreet, Lucas Cruz, and Mark Wallace. We weren't able to independently verify this, but according to the podcast, Mark Wallace is off Norco for next year. Surprising if true, he seems a great fit for the brand. Again, a massive pinch of salt here.



Greg Minnaar is synonymous with the Syndicate and Santa Cruz in the eyes of many fans, and we are genuinely surprised to see him not finishing out his career there. And for Norco, this seems like a huge, costly gamble with a legend of the sport and new bike in development for ~2025. It should be noted that Norco's new bike is a high pivot and quite different from the V10 that Greg's spent the last 15 years on—and he's famously had some things to say about high pivot designs during the development of the latest V10. Similarly, Greg has been on Fox for the past 12 years, and the Norco team is currently on RockShox. Do we see changes there?

If this reporting is accurate, it could be a huge boost for Norco, and we wish the GOAT well wherever he ends up in 2024. We look forward to hearing more details as they emerge.

We reached out to everyone involved for comment. Norco and Santa Cruz declined to comment, but it sounds like an announcement is imminent. At time of publication Minnaar and Wallace are yet to respond.

—

Update: Santa Cruz has confirmed via Instagram that he's off the team.

bigquotesAfter 16 epic years of racing, puzzling, and making incredible memories together, Greg Minnaar is hanging up his Syndicate jersey. We wish Greg nothing but the best, and want to extend a huge thanks for everything he and the Santa Cruz Syndicate have accomplished together. From the dominant 00’s to his current status as the Greatest Of All Time. It’s been one hell of a ride.—@santacruzbicycles


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383 Comments
  • 1760 7
 Minnaar will get Jackson in the weekends as part of the divorce agreement
  • 57 3
 And everyother major holiday weekend
  • 62 3
 Now that was funny as hell!
  • 22 3
 Minaar is going to love that new high pivot downhill bike.
  • 32 3
 I very rarely actually LOL, especially in comments sections. But I literally LOL.
  • 12 7
 You Win with that one! I just spit coffee out.
  • 20 4
 comment of the month
  • 2 1
 
  • 36 4
 Easily the PB comment of the year - and perhaps of the decade so far. I need to start making a list...
  • 15 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: We all know Outside isn't making the list anymore
  • 6 3
 @SeanDRC: Hear ya but I don't think that affects PB staff making a simple list. They have plenty to do anyway. I'd still like to make my own - but am a lazy B****. I also wanna do up a list of Henry's insane British colloquialisms... the guy has more quips than country music, only far wittier.
  • 5 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: Haha the first time it changed since it was introduced was when outside bought PB... because the top comment was a negative comment about outside. I'm sure there are a couple still about outside, and it's harder for PB to make a "Favorite comments" list than a "Top comments" list.
  • 1 0
 @weirc: we don’t do that anymore… apparently
  • 2 2
 That is funny as hell quote!!!
  • 5 4
 This definitely has the Aurum of comment gold.
  • 2 1
 Ha!
  • 16 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: another great one was on the article about nukeproof and its associated brand closing, one of which was fixie Inc.
First Guy: Not fixie Inc, what will the hipsters do now
Second guys reply: backpedal
  • 1 0
 @Bennosnow: DOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ! I recall the article but didn't see the comment. PB users def got some swagger...
  • 3 2
 Comment of the year
  • 1 0
 @Mtn-Goat-13: yes please! I got a few from Rampage but nowhere near enough for a list.
  • 1 6
flag heavyp FL (Dec 4, 2023 at 23:25) (Below Threshold)
 Did Greg help develop a bike prone to punctures as a big FU knowing he was leaving Santa Cruz or did HR step in and say Greg you are gone you treated Lyle like crap and Jordi also complained about you so no more Fox haha
  • 4 0
 thanks, how can I get the coffee off the screen?
  • 4 3
 Give this guy a prize. Comment of the year!
  • 2 1
  Drop the mic, no more comments after that!
  • 1 1
 comment of the year right here!
  • 2 1
 @Markfour: is that a play on aura?

A tidier Norco pun would be simply:
That's comment Aurum.
  • 5 0
 Minnaar has confirmed this on Jackson's Instagram.
  • 2 0
 @heavyp: and marshy.
  • 1 1
 comment award!!!!! the BEST in years!!!
  • 1 0
 MINNoooooAARggggghhhhh!!!!!
  • 1 0
 @Lostrodamus: Same here.
  • 234 6
 Seems like Norco‘s cash flow is fluid enough for Greg‘s salary range. Hope the podium won‘t be out of sight on a Norco.
  • 79 4
 I mean, Norco picking him up is good optics for sure. Hopefully I'll get to see him race when he comes to shore for the North American part of the circuit next year. I hear he flies down the hill like a torrent.
  • 18 3
 @big-red:

IMO Minnar has always been the Bigfoot of the Santa Cruz team, and that the team has sort of always revolver'd around him. Seems like a Fluid situation over there for sure.
  • 43 2
 @big-red: not just good optics, it really shows their full range. Having Greg on board could be highly pivotal.
  • 11 3
 @big-red: Yes, what a Sight
  • 8 3
 Norco might be the end of Minnaar's Search.
  • 18 25
flag sngltrkmnd (Dec 4, 2023 at 11:24) (Below Threshold)
 Are we SHORE this is happening? This is a significant HIGH PIVOT to another brand.
  • 28 3
 Great to see Norco Shore up their roster.
  • 7 1
 Leave some puns for the rest of us
  • 7 2
 I'm surprised actually. I was shore after they let Blenki go last season and briefly canceled their racing program that their optics weren't that good.
  • 3 2
 @big-red: definitely gonna move some optics. I imagine it will help the whole range and all other scenes represented in their catalogue. They've gotta big footprint.
  • 17 3
 Can't believe that they would pon him off like that!
  • 2 2
 @Vudu74: He's fed up of these puns and is reaching for his revolver....
  • 3 2
 It's all about the Optics.
  • 3 2
 With his Range of experience there's no doubt he's a good addition to the norco Empire.
  • 5 3
 Minnaar has an aurum of success around him.
  • 3 1
 @ryanandrewrogers: no their optics are amazing bikes. Wait…
  • 2 0
 Norco did release Bryn and Jill.
  • 2 0
 @dhrracer: True, but they weren't big payroll expenses.
  • 2 0
 Honestly, I believe this would be a huge win for Norco. Greg has been a staple in not only the development of the current V10, but the 29" Wheel in the DH world would have probably never have been accepted the way it was without this man. Greg is literally the Chuck Norris of mountainbiking. This will not only be a huge marketing opportunity for Norco, but also their bikes.
  • 3 1
 @jomacba: Truth. At first everyone embraced 29s because of Greg's speed and then, when it only worked for taller riders, mullets exploded. It is very possible that this new Greg move really comes down to bike design. SC realistically has to design and engineer for the much smaller Jackson instead of Greg's XXL sized rigs. Weren't there rumors that Loris felt he couldn't win on the V10 when he jumped to Trek? Everyone says it's always about the $$$ but we saw Gwin go without a brake sponsor for a season after he had a double failure on Saints in a World Champs run. An athlete knows they will only be paid $$$ if they perform at their peak and the equipment has to work for them. Norco will probably be happy to go toe-to-toe with Commencal to sell DH bikes to the 6+ft crowd.
  • 156 0
 I can't believe he's not getting a Peaty style retirement season on the Syndicate.
  • 65 3
 There has more than likely been a fallout of some kind.
  • 30 0
 @thewho07: Greg seemed pretty spent (at least in the few video clips we got) this past season. I dunno if it was changes in the team, or just having a rough time generally. He also didn't seem ready to hang up the boots, so maybe change is good!
  • 4 8
flag avg-roadie (Dec 4, 2023 at 11:03) (Below Threshold)
 @ridedigrepeat: I would assume PON wanted to put more owned brands on the SC team, and Greg has preferences or other ventures to transition into retirement work
  • 56 0
 seems the Syndicate is managed a bit differently since Rob/Kathy have left? If Rob was still running it you for sure gotta think he'd do whatever it takes to keep Greg and have a solid send-off season, special frames, epic parties etc.
  • 23 0
 Well... I'm sure he would have a stylish retirement if he had told them he was retiring, which thankfully he isn't. I'm sure whichever brand he retires with won't miss the marketing opportunity to bid the undisputed greatest of all-time DH World Cup racer a classy farewell.
  • 5 0
 @gramboh: Nail on head.
  • 7 0
 @gramboh: peaty is managing the team now so no room for the goat if he wants to move into team management after he finishes racing. I suspect sc are more interested in Jackson and Nina who are getting the results they expect
  • 5 4
 @gramboh: yup. Still shocking and lame from SC imho.
  • 23 5
 @chrismac70: Peaty is a great manager and coach. Greg is famously not a good teammate. I don't think he'd make a good manager.
  • 22 1
 PON are ruthless with their balance sheets. They reduce overheads by cutting sponsorships and the salaries that go with them. Look at how they’ve cut all the 50to01 crew - Loose, Rat, Craig Evans - which until about 3-4 years ago what almost entirely Santa Cruz. With Jackson their priority, maybe for half the price or less, it comes down to pure business. Legacy counts for nothing on a balance sheet.
  • 5 8
 @jimfredo: Good point, but Jackson isnt going to sell bikes!
Why?
Because he is 1 rider and could ride a bath tub fast.

The Greg/Peaty thing was always going to be strange, great rivals from 2002 until 2010 when Greg pulled away from Steve by that fine margin in racing. Then your old rival is your boss and telling you what to do!!!
  • 23 0
 @njparider: What is Greg known for that makes him a bad teammate? Genuinely curious.
  • 7 0
 @JakeMartell: And that is me wondering too!
  • 1 0
 @njparider: I have no idea as to the skills of either of them
  • 2 0
 @gramboh: where did Kathy go??
  • 12 3
 @JakeMartell: I'm sure this guy is just taking some quotes from Luca Shaw out of context. Luca left the Syndicate because he wanted to be more of a focus for the team and he was in Minnaar's shadow at the Syndicate. Everything I ever saw was Greg being a class act and helping mentor these younger riders. He's a legend and far nicer and more professional than other legends of this sport.
  • 2 3
 @JakeMartell: There were comments by Rat as well as Brendog eluding to it
  • 5 2
 @yourbuddyjc: proof?
Minnaar has always been a class act
  • 3 1
 @gramboh: In this economic climate that won't happen. No one knows the contract numbers but look at Jackson's results vs his contract cost... big ROI. Greg's 2023 result's vs contract cost is a smaller ROI. After a year of a buyer's market for MTB's, something's got to give... and it's the high dollar contracts with smaller ROI's.
  • 6 0
 @stormracing: There was a Ride Companion podcast where Brendog talked about Greg as a teammate laughingly, but it was not necessarily described as like the most welcoming teammate. Brendog made some kind of funny remark about Greg taking him purposely on slow lines when they'd practice tracks, Brendog knew what he was doing and said back then he may have been dumb but he wasn't stupid....haha. and then there was some other minor things.
And Rat in some vid or pod (can't remember exactly which) commented that he hated Greg when he first joined the team because he was super hard on him. To which Rat laughed and stated his Dad kinda said he'd never had a proper hazing or apprenticeship or something like that.
IDK I like Greg and got no opinion, just telling @JakeMartell where some of that info comes from. You can find it and make your own opinion.
  • 1 0
 @yourbuddyjc: alluding* to it
  • 105 1
 The real question is will his rear tire stay on the rim in 2024?
  • 26 7
 ringa ding ding.... i almost wonder if Greg said "seeya" because he hated that bike
  • 20 0
 @ace9: he’s also not the #1 or perhaps even the #2 focus for the team any more.
  • 5 0
 @snomaster: for sure not. I assume Norco is letting him do whatever program he wants and from wherever (if anything like moto). this could be his last season and may want to do it exactly how he wants without any input from a brand
  • 21 0
 I seem to remember he also made comments about the team not being ready for rain in one race, called out the unprofessionalism in the post race interviews with WynTV I think.

The whole rear wheel/tyre issues going on and on must have been damn annoying. I wonder what was said behind the scenes.
  • 8 1
 @Marc2211: yup, exactly what i remember too. Greg left SC, not the opposite
  • 21 2
 @snomaster: I disagree with that. Maybe not the 1 or 2 rider on SC but to say he's not the 1 or 2 more valuable pro doesn't seem right. He sells more bikes than Laurie without question, regardless of place in the overall.
  • 9 0
 @ace9: It was probably quite frustrating that the new bike was aimed more at his teammates and the mullet configuration. I mean, they were over-wrapping a rear-triangle with extra carbon in the middle of season
  • 8 0
 @Marc2211: His mechanic was pushed out after that
  • 8 0
 @IsaacWislon82: The best bike design situation for that team was back when it was Greg, Peaty and Ratboy. All really tall guys, who could all benefit from an XL frame designed specifically for them.

What may be a stiff rear triangle for Laurie may not be stiff at all for Greg because he can generate so much more leverage with his height. Perhaps one of the reasons for the mid-season mods.
  • 8 2
 @CreekRider75: Of course he holds undisputed top value to the brand as the GOAT. I simply meant he wasn't the focus of his team's recent results. I'd bet his P2 by a hangnail in Andorra didn't get the credit he wanted either.
And @IsaacWislon82 called out another super important factor. That mullet V10 is much more suited to Laurie, Jackson, and Nina than Greg, regardless of what's on the rim.
As sad as the move is for fans of Greg and the Syndicate at large, this move unfortunately makes sense.
  • 6 0
 @snomaster: very true. Jackson and Nina are the 2 producing the results
  • 4 5
 Getting off VPP will likely help in that department.
  • 4 0
 @IsaacWislon82: I was lead to believe that Greg was key in developing the new frame, before it went to the team riders. If wasn't to his liking then he had more time than the others to fix it.
  • 7 10
 @snomaster: still think Nico is the goat
  • 2 7
flag betsie (Dec 5, 2023 at 1:32) (Below Threshold)
 @ace9: I think your right, and if the GOAT cant get on with the new V10, why would a normal Joe buy one?
  • 12 0
 @betsie: because Minnaar vs a normal Joe is not even a comparison. Sadly most people don't realize how different the demands for WC racers and regular people are.
  • 4 0
 @Muckal: yea watch any of the pit coverage from the world cups and you see custom modifications to many of the riders bikes. One off linkages, one off rear triangles, etc.

It’s because like you said, the needs of a pro racer are much different than the regular people who will actually be buying the bike.
  • 2 14
flag betsie (Dec 5, 2023 at 4:12) (Below Threshold)
 @Muckal: The last WC racer I spoke too was last Thursday night when I beat him at badminton, lucky he can ride a bike really fast, before that was a different WC rider the weekend before at the champions champagne reception and awards ceremony.
If the 2 of them together can beat me the deal is I have to race a Cx race (or 1 of them said retire from racing haha)

I wouldnt swap jobs with them though, the self motivation is tough for them (although I probably train harder than them, I just lack ability)
  • 2 1
 @peebeejay: I don’t think I want a frame developed by a top rider. They probably need a very different bike to what us minions need
  • 1 0
 @Muckal: true
  • 2 0
 @snomaster: pretty much. Investing in the future is the right business decision. Sure we can lament how it’s unfair or whatever but this is still a business and everyone is looking out for themselves and their own interests, Greg included.
  • 1 0
 @jimmythehat: that's a very much untrue rumour.
  • 1 0
 @snomaster: LOL! Does GM strike as being that shallow? Please.
  • 1 0
 @wolftwenty1: signing greg is an investment in the future for norco as well, having him on board will help the team and riders elevate to the elite level that greg operates at. if that team starts marching on his orders they have a very bright future
  • 2 2
 @jimmythehat: hell no. Aaron and Greg are both ahead. Nico won the goofy one off World Champs - a race his country puts a crap ton of effort into. Roskopp has spoken about this in the past - is the greatest racer of the year the guy who won the World Cup overall or the guy who won a single dumb race?
  • 5 2
 @shredddr: some facts for you, Nico actually won SEVEN Senior World Champs and FIVE World Cup overalls, you’ve answered your own question
  • 1 0
 @kabanosipyvo: Rat boy was famous for liking small frames, he used to race a medium if I'm not mistaken
  • 1 0
 Maybe the rearward axle path of a high pivot bike will help with that
  • 2 1
 @shredddr: Gwin never even won world champs so has only matched Nico for overalls, maybe he still has time to win seven world champs?
  • 79 8
 Where is the pinkbike advent calendar this year?
  • 56 0
 have an upvote for your insane username / post combo!
  • 3 0
 Mike K or Brian Park confirmed it wasn't happening in a different thread.
  • 8 0
 marketing cuts most likely. While it was fun for readers, it cost a bunch of money from advertisers. Marketing budgets are always the first to be cut, especially with athlete sponsorships. Selling new bikes at half off really eats into the margins required for proper marketing and outreach.
  • 3 1
 That’s a load of crap!
  • 9 0
 @GTscoob: Bring back marketing - think of the children
  • 10 0
 still waiting to find out who won last years
  • 4 0
 @GTscoob: Many companies are overstocked rn. Why not get good PR and put stock up for a giveaway?
  • 4 0
 @rrolly: you think these giveaways are free? There's always an advertising cost plus the inventory giveaway. Again, when you're selling bikes at cost to generate liquid capital, that doesn't leave money for promotions.

When you're seeing bikes for sale for 25-35% off, that's basically cost on most bikes plus a little on the top for operational expenses (shipping, storage, assembly, etc)
  • 57 3
 The PON shareholders probably saw his salary and got jealous
  • 23 0
 This move achieves synergies.
  • 4 4
 @VtVolk: a more dynamic structure that achieves plushness without sacrificing support. the kinematics of this decision gives more compliance for a rooted in feel.
  • 5 18
flag chrismac70 FL (Dec 4, 2023 at 15:17) (Below Threshold)
 But this site keeps trying to convince us that dh riders are all poor badly paid people who can barely afford a tin of beans. They can’t possibly be wrong can they
  • 20 3
 @chrismac70: Comparing the likes of Greg Minaar to the vast majority of World Cup riders is pretty laughable. He is the greatest, most successful male DH rider of all time.
  • 1 8
flag chrismac70 FL (Dec 5, 2023 at 4:42) (Below Threshold)
 @gnarnaimo: he is far from unique. Others inthe top 10 submit company accounts showing retained profits of over £100k after all costs, salaries, dividends etc
  • 8 0
 @chrismac70: Oh, I see, a handful of DH racers make a good wage. Which they will likely make for 10-15 years, give or take. Yes, that totally proves that WCDH riders are a financially successful bunch.
  • 1 0
 They needed a more holistic share of the profits.
  • 51 0
 I love Dh.
And I love me some late career comeback stories.
Like honestly though….How rad would it be to see Greg JUST. COMPLETELY. DOMINATE. on that new high pivot Norco?
  • 7 23
flag thewho07 (Dec 4, 2023 at 21:16) (Below Threshold)
 Not. A. Chance.
  • 39 0
 I just want one last healthy, mechanical-less Minaar vs. Gwin season.
  • 73 22
 Biggest corporate L since cannondale gave up Tinker. Legends deserve better than this.
  • 3 1
 How did this come about? You seem to know.
  • 57 4
 Tinker nowhere near the GOAT of XC...
  • 69 5
 Not a good comparison. Tinker was a diva and a jerk. Cannondale were delighted to drop him.
  • 16 1
 I feel like a lot of people having a 'woosh' moment in this thread.
  • 20 0
 Maybe this was planned to be his retirement tour year, and neither wanted to publicize it ahead of time, then after it was in the books Greg didn't want to end it this way and SC had already made different plans?
Don't know for sure, but they were together longer than lots of marriages, so we can gave both parties the benefit of the doubt.
  • 4 0
 @ReformedRoadie: HOW DARE YOU!
  • 4 2
 Ha ha ha. All true except the part about Tinker.
  • 7 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: I have read/heard multiple sources the Tinker became a bit of a grouchy diva in his later career...
  • 15 1
 @BiNARYBiKE: I met Tinker years ago.... Dude was a top shelf douche canoe... Left a foul taste after that experience. Not a good way to hold yourself to people who have been fans of you since they where children.
  • 2 1
 Since Gwin left Trek for Specialized...
  • 8 10
 This might sound harsh but pro sports is a meritocracy. If you aren't at the top, your contracts reflect that, no matter what you won in the past. It's why Messi plays for Miami and not Barcelona anymore.
  • 4 3
 @MT36: Yep. They can do a 'one race sponsorship' with the "OG" Syndicate crew and 'retire' his jersey. SC is a corp. company now, they look at future, the numbers , ROI, etc. Meritocracy almost ALWAYS in sports media.
  • 11 0
 @bman33: lol at the downvotes. What if Greg wanted to leave…this is business not personal. People are being too emotional about it.
  • 2 0
 @wolftwenty1: Yep. MTB is 'our passion' as amateurs or even part-time pros. If you will. Many of the big pros like Greg are passionate as well about racing/riding MTB also. However, when it comes to sponsorship and salaries are the sharp end of the WC world, business is business. Many just can separate the fans passion with the business aspect without getting all upset..
  • 5 0
 @bman33: Greg might win again. Jackson will for sure. Easy decision for SC.
  • 3 0
 @wolftwenty1: Bingo. As a late 40's rider/racer who has been in the sport since the mid 90's, Greg is one of my all time favorites. However, Jackson is the hot new young star (deservedly so). Is what it is at this point.
  • 1 1
 @bman33: Jackson is much better than Minaar right now. Minaar wasn't producing results. That's how pro sports works. They get paid to win. If you don't win, it sucks. It's a tough way to make a living.
  • 2 0
 @MT36: I am not debating that...(maybe I am misreading your comment). Jackson is the young upcoming star and I don't blame SC for putting their full weight behind him. Agree with you 100%. Yes, tough to see Greg let go (or walk away) from that team. We as fans have a good deal of emotion behind what is essentially a business to sell bikes and bike related gear. The business end can be cold as ice at times for sure.
  • 1 0
 @bman33: word up.
  • 1 0
 @bman33: i thought it was sad to see cannondale drop Tinker. He is an XC legend. I have met Tinker multiple times over the past 6 or 7 years and he has always been pretty cool to us, but he can be kind of shy which I could see some people interpreting that as standoffish and getting a bad impression of him which is too bad. He is a pretty good dude.
  • 34 0
 Don’t forget that Greg broke his neck at the end of the 2022 season. To come back and get 15th in the world in 2023 season is epic.
Some other notable things is he was the first to race 29er I believe? Huge impact on the development of the v10.
When Robs contract wasn’t renewed that was tragic, now Greg. I’ve always been a huge syndicate fanboy, still will be but it would have been nice to see Greg finish off like Peaty did.
  • 1 0
 Was his contract not renewed or did he decide to leave? Its definitely strange to see him leave after all these years but I haven't seen anything saying which side made the decision.
  • 6 0
 @mtmc99: I read that in a podcast he said it was not his decision to leave SC
  • 1 0
 @devinkalt: Yep, he makes it pretty clear it wasn't his choice.
  • 37 0
 minnaar with the og honda bike for 2024 wc series
  • 3 0
 Yes to ths
  • 38 4
 Well, RockShox better find themselves a Jordi!!
  • 9 2
 They have one
  • 4 0
 @trelleder: I think Timmy is retiring.
  • 3 0
 @pisgahgnar: He is out, but I heard there´s a new one
  • 27 0
 They will introduce Flight Attendant DH to auto adjust on all Greg's complains
  • 25 3
 Him leaving Dialed is sadder than him leaving Santa Cruz to me.
  • 5 1
 @trelleder: Changed his legal name to New Timmy.
But everyone still calls him Rockshoxs Jordy.
  • 18 0
 Somewhere, Jordi is popping a bottle of champagne
  • 16 1
 Team rumours... Jordi leaves Fox for Rockshox...
  • 1 0
 @Smux: that made me laugh!
  • 11 0
 @Philrattlehead: the saddest was loosing loris, loved his way of communicating through sounds and making jordi's life harder
  • 2 0
 Or an equivalent therapist. I will miss the therapy sessions on 'Dialed'.
  • 1 0
 @wyric: LOL
  • 26 0
 Never could have imagined that was possible.
  • 39 17
 There is zero loyalty in "Any" business in the modern era. No matter how good you do for them when they are done it is F-you, sayonara & don't let the door hit you in the ass when you leave.

Part of the reason no one gives a f*ck anymore about much of anything .
  • 21 1
 You don’t know that this wasn’t GM’s decision. Let’s withhold judgment until we have the facts.
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 Pro sports is a ruthless meritocracy. If the athlete drops in from, their contracts reflect that, no matter what they won in the past.
  • 1 0
 Concur
  • 2 1
 If Michael Jordan and Tom Brady got kicked to the curb, what chance do the rest of us have?
  • 1 0
 @TheR: Thats pro sports. competition is for real at that level. The rest of us have it much easier.
  • 1 0
 @MT36: Speak for yourself....
  • 1 0
 @kabanosipyvo: speaking directly from personal experience. When I say "us" I mean people like me who at worst, have only first world problems. Respect.
  • 1 0
 @sfarnum: I stand by my opinion. & it is not just about this situation. Besides what could Norco possible have that Santa Cruz doesn't. My guess it was all about the all might dollar & Santa Cruz wanted out.
  • 2 0
 @Darknut: Minaar was visibly and audibly frustrated with various aspects of his team several times during interviews this season. It’s not outrageous to think he may have been fed up and left. Again, we always find out in the end, let’s not jump to conclusion because we love to bash the teams.
  • 1 0
 @sfarnum: After the hearing Greg on the latest Santa Cruz podcast talk about being "Blind Sided" I think my assessment of the situation was spot on!
  • 19 1
 Never thought he would leave SC! This would be cool for Canada though! Hopefully they can find him a tire setup where he won't have so many punctures. Lost count how many flats he got this season.
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flag Philrattlehead (Dec 4, 2023 at 11:04) (Below Threshold)
 Wrong person sorry
  • 1 0
 That’s his signature tire. Perhaps he’s outgrown taking square on the VPP.
  • 20 5
 Pon holdings is bleeding out serious cash after the buy out of Canondale from Dorel . Santa Cruz layoffs have been massive the last three months. Sales have collapsed and Pon is going to keep cutting to save off potential a sale or merger of some of it's brands .
  • 17 0
 Just curious where/how you’ve heard about layoffs at SC?
  • 12 1
 @Chondog94: industry has heard of it, I heard 85+ employees laid off, no reports so could be hear-say. But they are cutting back hard.
  • 12 2
 it seems like every other bike manufacturer expected the covid-level of demand for bikes to be the new normal.. well, guess what, it's not going to be +150% growth every year...
  • 78 1
 What's next, skimping on groupsets?
No more Saint. Welcome to the Pon Zee scheme.
  • 4 0
 @f00bar: …or suppliers demanded they place huge advance orders to get any stock at all during the shortage.
  • 14 2
 Hardly surprising considering how stupidly overpriced their bikes are
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 @avg-roadie: nope, reports are true.
  • 14 2
 In my ideal world (that quite obviously doesn’t exist and will never exist) he would say „f the cash. I earned enough“ and gets on frameworks (or raaw), just because he can.

Whatever happens, I’m stoked to see the GOAT ripping again. No matter what bike.
  • 2 0
 In that case I guess he would do his own design to get exactly what he wants
  • 2 0
 @knightmarerider: why would he? The Athertons and Neko took years to refine their designs, he’d probably really feel great on a Frameworks. Yet again, people who have ridden the new Norco proto had only great things to say about it. Not sure how much of them were marketing, but it makes you wonder…
  • 1 1
 I don't think it's a complete fantasy scenario since Greg makes most of his money outside of mountain biking.
  • 12 0
 As much as this kinda sucks two positives are:
1 - Minnaar back at the world cups for at least another year. That’s huge.
2 - Also, it will be cool to see how he gets on riding another bike.
It was a some time ago but he was pretty fast on his Honda, Orange and painted up Intense.
  • 17 3
 The resale value of all Santa Cruz bikes everywhere just dropped 10-20%
  • 2 4
 but really that's just the post-COVID overstock. SCB still hold their value better than most used bikes that are less than half of their original price and still aren't moving.
  • 15 0
 @GTscoob: brother, it was a joke about Greg being cool, I am sure someone will still buy your used santa cruz.
  • 12 1
 I was just about to buy that Nomad. But now I’m thinking the Range might suit me better
  • 13 1
 Given that Norco HQ is in Vancouver I would attend any meet and greet with Greg that is held in Vancouver. Swag would be a bonus.
  • 1 0
 Hint, hint. Lol.
  • 10 0
 It's official now www.instagram.com/reel/C0cL2HNsvYe (Syndicate Insta)
How can Norco afford him though? Didn't they kick Blenki because racing was too expensive for them?
  • 21 4
 Norco have gone through 3 or 4 rounds of staff layoffs in the past year, probably where they found the cash.
  • 17 2
 @secondnarrowstroll: The layoffs certainly helped, and they let go Jill Kitner and Bryn Atkinson. Would have been cool to see Jill and Greg rip some PNW trails together.
  • 2 1
 @kmo344: since when? Haven’t they both been on Norco for the best part of a decade?
  • 4 0
 @secondnarrowstroll: You stroll on the Second Narrow?
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 @samdaman1: www.bikemag.com/news/jill-and-bryn-norco#:~:text=After%20twelve%20fruitful%20years%20of,a%20potential%20new%20frame%20sponsor.
  • 4 0
 @senatorcraig: live under the bridge is a more accurate depiction
  • 4 0
 @kmo344: I think a lot of non ground breaking pros are going to be shocked when no one picks them up as well this coming season. I’ve heard of lots of dropped sponsorships recently.
  • 12 0
 Oof. This feels like Brady leaving the Pats. Hopefully with similar results. Gotta cheer for the GOAT!
  • 13 0
 Jackson was four when Greg joined the Syndicate.
  • 10 0
 "Is he targeting an Alonso-style resurgence?" Is this a Fernando Alonso F1 reference?
  • 50 2
 Here's to hoping Greg's 2024 is like Fernando's 2023, and they both race into their 60s.
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 @brianpark: Did Levy ghostwrite this?
  • 10 1
 I don't know about F1. But, I could make a Rossi to Ducati reference...
  • 1 0
 @JSTootell: right, but remember Honda to Yamaha. That was amazing and part of his everlasting GOAT status. Does Minnar have a similar mid-career move like Rossi?
  • 4 5
 @Lostrodamus: Speaking of Levy... where did he go? Haven't seen a story/editorial with his byline in months. Did he decide to move on or did he get the pink slip?
  • 2 0
 @brumos: check the last comment on his profile page
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 @brumos: I thought he got promoted?
EDIT: JK he's taking a leave.
  • 2 1
 @Schmolson: well yeah Minnaar left Honda too, and kept winning…
  • 2 0
 @JSTootell: and now Rossi is racing cars, so logically Minaar moves on to rally after Norco.
  • 3 0
 @motts: I mean, Nico Vouilloz turned out to be a talented rally driver post-DH so who knows.
  • 2 0
 @pmhobson: Thank you Sir for this hint. But still, why could Pinkbike not just say he's taking a sabbatical?
  • 5 0
 I can only think it's a PON/ SC thing.... Saying he hates the current V10 is odd as I'd assume he had a big old hand in developing it & said he didn't like the high pivot - smoother, but more tired? But as pointed out he's lot's of money & not SC no 1 rider I guess, so it may be better for the other riders.

Anyways good luck to the GOAT I'll enjoy watching him race no matter what the bike is.
  • 8 0
 In a podcast this year with a Santa Cruz guy, he said that the racers dont have THAT much of an impact on their design. They have their local testers that can give more direct feedback. Greg is very finicky with his needs and setup. I am not sure such a person can relate to the general consumer that much. I too was seeing him with a permenant role at SC after his racing career. I know he owns a bike shop in South Africa. It could very well be a mutual descision.
  • 1 0
 @Philrattlehead: damn! I wonder how the Norco pits are gonna deal with all.the puzzling!!
  • 1 0
 @Philrattlehead: I get ya man. It's like a rally or F1 driver's, they can't relate to average punters as they have very different needs, but the trickle down effect must be the same.
  • 4 0
 @Philrattlehead: Henry interviewed Brook MacDonald on the PB Podcast a few weeks ago and Brook said the similar thing from the riders side, that that the engineers design a bike that they think rides well, and is what the customers want, but none of them are riding at the top end of WC DH, and the needs of those handful of riders is so different that it can cause conflict.
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 @Philrattlehead: not since peaty took over running the team
  • 8 3
 Greed, no longer being top dog & future downward trajectory results (ie Ego) are likely causes for a move here. Be really interested to see who they bring in to replace him. I note a very basic 2min29sec goodbye video, gotta be fallout. That's just rude!
  • 9 0
 Absolutely nuts.
  • 5 0
 Now I don't know what to think, as day follows night one of the last sure thing was Greg on Syndacate... A sad day, but I hope see him on that Norco still kicking a lot of serious asses!
  • 5 0
 never......ever......count the man out. Hard to believe the Icon and main selling point of Santa Cruz bicycles has been dropped. Thanks G your are the G.O.A.T. but thanks for the development and the RnD
  • 8 0
 He obviously wants to be with a manufacturer that has a fat bike
  • 6 0
 This is the real story.
  • 11 0
 Timing is suspiciously close to the UCI snow biking announcement....
  • 6 0
 I think it's a conspiracy between Greg, the bike companies, and Pinkbike to help distract from the lack of the December advent calendar prize giveway.
  • 3 0
 PON looking at spreadsheets and cutting where it makes sense. Jaskson surely on a higher wage moving forward, clearly a rising star. Interesting discussions around high-waged athletes riding for equity. Could be a factor in this move.
  • 7 0
 huge for Norco. Would love to see this man win at least one more...
  • 6 0
 Historians will note that the turning point in SC/Minnar relationship was when he snapped his V10 in half.
  • 4 0
 Except for that World Championship in 2021. And a win or two.
  • 2 0
 If he is going to Norco I wonder if they’ll make the new DH bike 29” rear wheel compatible ? I believe it’s a mullet as of now. His SC team mates ride the mullet versions of the V10. I know they are a lot shorter than Greg but it seems like he likes full 29er’s. I know he made comments regarding high pivots. Maybe he didn’t like the feel of the high pivot V10 proto. and not necessarily high pivots ?? Who knows. It’ll be interesting that’s for sure.
  • 7 0
 "puzzling"
  • 5 0
 Probably got tired of all the flats on SC and not being top dog on team anymore and Jackson getting top dollar.
  • 2 0
 Wild move. Got to wonder if PON had their bean counters try to reduce salaries or if he just wasn't working with the setup and wanted a change. At this point in his career there's still immense value in him as a racer and also future value as not only an ambassador but manager, product director, etc. but hey $ talks... I hope time tells all.
  • 2 0
 Just a wild idea, Robb seemed full of praise for the UNNO brand and if Greg gets involved, could take the brand to the next Level. The prototype Angel Saurez was testing last year looked damn fine. Just a wild thought, but Greg has always been keen on developing product and is probably the most successful endorser of brands, look at what happened with the maxis assegaai and O'Neil as well as fox.... Fun times ahead.
  • 6 0
 Mind. Blown.
  • 3 0
 Did not have this on my bingo card this year.
  • 7 3
 Way to go Norco! And he will be riding what questionably could be the fastest bike out there too!
  • 5 1
 This reminds me of cyclocross GOAT Sven Nys racing his last season on Trek after a career on Colnago.
  • 3 0
 Or Jerry Rice signing with the Jets.
  • 2 0
 @UncleTallboy: or brad feif playing for the vikings after a packers career
  • 5 0
 Or Merv Hughes playing out his career at the Comets
  • 5 0
 Heard that Brosnan was going to SC……
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flag tajtigabor (Dec 4, 2023 at 14:33) (Below Threshold)
 It is not really nice to say but I believe Brosnan sells the least bikes from the circuit, he is so not exciting at all. Compared to the GOAT it is day and night.
  • 19 1
 @tajtigabor: you're only speaking for yourself there. He's one of my favourite people to watch ride.
  • 2 8
flag tacklingdummy (Dec 4, 2023 at 15:12) (Below Threshold)
 Bronson nor Minnar seem like Santa Cruz sponsored guys. To me, they fit the image more of Specialized, Canyon, Yeti, Scott, etc. Ratboy fits Santa Cruz image more. Lol.
  • 5 0
 @tajtigabor: Brosnan is a legend! If smooth riding in insane terrain is boring to you, you don't know much about DH. Check out his YouTube channel. It may change your mind.
  • 5 0
 @tacklingdummy: I think 'that' Santa Cruz may be gone... New era.
  • 3 0
 O1D4: Asa Vermette to Syndicate Heard it here first.
  • 1 0
 @tadabing: Asa’s signed up to Frameworks for a couple of years, and Neko has given him a profit share in the team/company…
  • 5 0
 Awesome we will soon have Norco bikes avail in South Africa
  • 3 0
 They already are available here ‍♂️
  • 2 1
 Huge news. Greg was making some post race comments throughout the season about constant mechanical problems with the bike so maybe he had issues with the finished product or his mechanics not getting it right. It also seemed like he had a ton of control on the outcome of the new bike so who knows... Either way if I was him i'd be stoked to get on something totally new and the new rockshox stuff is great so maybe that will get him a few podiums. Big win for Norco, hell i'm going to look at their bikes now.
  • 4 0
 Wow did not expect this. Looking forward
  • 5 0
 Didn’t see that coming
  • 1 0
 If he goes to Norco that's an interesting move, I heard Greg didn't want to ride a high-pivot bike or maybe he just didn't want the V10 to go down that route? I personally love the new Norco proto, it's looks wild Big Grin \m/
  • 2 0
 He was tired of Jordy roasting him for over geeking on his setup and now he's gonna go to hound and annoy the rockshox team instead
  • 4 0
 Wow! 2024 gonna be interesting, assuming we actually get to see it......
  • 3 0
 re-connect with Roskopp ? Unno ? Honda ? Coffee ? or maybe Norco... lol
  • 4 0
 Yep, DH should go back to 26" tires required. Yep.
  • 2 0
 Cleaning out house making room for fresh blood. Im sure greg can adapt pretty quickly to which ever bike/components he swings a leg over.
  • 3 0
 So does this mean all my Santa Cruz Greg Minnaar stuff is a collector’s item?
  • 2 0
 For me SC and Greg....it's like a one word. Hard to imagine him on Norco but time will show! Daaaaym...16 years. Time is so fast mthrfkr!
  • 1 0
 One thing that could be more surprising then Greg Minnar off Santa Cruz would be Greg Minnar off racing.

But that’s just crazy idea, guy is only somewhere in the middle of his career
  • 2 1
 Change is good. Hey Greg: Cash that big ol' Norco check and have a good time sir. You've certainly earned it. Thank you for being a pleasure to watch sending it like a Champ all these years. Kudos and God Speed.
  • 1 1
 End of a massive era in DH MTB'n. Vali in for the space? Interesting whatever happens, its such an iconic and amazing team/bike/brand. Stoked for 2024 season of watching the races already!
  • 2 0
 The #teamrumours are that it's a junior female rider.
  • 1 1
 Our chancellor would likely say: this date marks a global turning point, unless in this case real change is likely, money is going to be spent and a organisation is going to gain in power and reputation.
  • 1 1
 Climate Summit tie-in? Bikes *are* good for the earth and it's citizens...
  • 2 2
 @plyawn: sorry, I don't fully understand. That was sort of his statement towards the current war in europe. And the way most of us on PB are bikes they are anything but good for the environment. That's a topic for another day.
  • 1 0
 @Muckal: Who was it that said "most bikes actually have six wheels?" Maybe Gary Fischer?

The two wheels that are part of the bike, plus the four that drive the bike to the trailhead or start of the ride.
  • 1 0
 @kabanosipyvo: this!
  • 5 1
 Tallboy!
  • 4 0
 wut!?
  • 4 0
 holy cow
  • 9 0
 goat*
  • 3 0
 Didn’t have that on my bingo card…
  • 2 0
 I don't have enough info to know if it's a good move, but hope for a good transition for him.
  • 6 6
 Not a big surprise. He seemed unhappy most of the season with plenty of mechanicals. Also, getting outscored by two younger and probably cheaper team mates can't of helped.
Hopefully another female on the team?
  • 10 3
 Itd be cool to see SC getting some big Dak energy
  • 2 0
 @ATXZJ: be a mission to tempt Dak away from intense no?
  • 3 0
 It’s the Goldstone rush now folks!!
  • 3 0
 Fire up the old Honda bike!
  • 1 0
 Man I want to get a Norco bike now because it shows they have money and with that said will take care of their consumers I hope
  • 1 0
 I'm pretty saddened that Norco dropped Jill Kitner for Greg. She's an incredible racer with a huge resume as well and didn't deserve the boot to make salary space
  • 1 0
 There is no way he’s going to Rockshox. The Greg-Jordi bond is too strong!
  • 2 0
 Look what happened to him at SC.
  • 6 0
 @neimbc: I wonder if he was pissed having to give up all his long term sponsors last yr. Oakley was ~20 yrs (?)
  • 1 0
 If he goes to Norco he may not have a choice unless they change their suspension set up.
  • 7 0
 Anyone notice the dialed series for this season had very minimal Greg stuff?
  • 2 0
 Wowzers. I had to do a date check and make sure it wasn't April :o
  • 1 0
 Not a has to invest in more frame material to make Greg’s super long bikes lol
  • 9 8
 Now I see why Norco had to screw dealers over left right and center. If this is true they need all the money they can get.
  • 1 0
 How so?
  • 3 1
 If true my hat is tipped to Norco for making this kind of investment.
  • 2 0
 I wonder if he's getting a small ownership stake or promised post pro career role.
  • 1 0
 Stoked to see him give it another go.
  • 3 0
 uhm, sorry, what?
  • 2 0
 What? Are you drunk or it´s me?
  • 1 0
 Why is everyone thinking norco?
Perhaps Cap23 is getting him back with a big sponsor on a frame in the works?
  • 2 1
 Could be Danny Hart on Norco
  • 1 0
 I wonder if Lyle will go with him, or stay on as ”Logistics boss” at SC?
  • 1 0
 @ascotsmanrides Santacruz bought Jungle and Stif, hence the bias towards their own brand.
  • 1 0
 Yes. So Stif/Jungle unlikely to fold on a downturn unless Santa Cruz themselves cut them loose.
  • 1 0
 Hope to see Jackson to Norco in the next few when his contract with SS is done!
  • 2 0
 PLOT TWIST: He's actually on Intense. haha
  • 1 0
 THAT would be a VERY interesting move for sure.
  • 1 0
 @bman33: That would be my favorite story of the year.... old dogs got a few tricks left. Gwin and Minnaar both get wins... LOL! Heck, bring back Palmer why we're at it! I bet he'd be like that country song. Not as good as he once was but good once as he ever was. LOL!
  • 1 0
 Off Sanata Cruz - on Santa Clause!?
  • 1 0
 seria bueno ver a Minnar en el PB Team
  • 2 0
 Kapow!!!!!!
  • 2 1
 End of an era, but what an era!!
  • 2 0
 WHAT?????????
  • 2 0
 NOOOOOOOOOO-ORCO!
  • 2 0
 what
  • 3 2
 Where is the advent calendar?
  • 2 1
 SC having Greg leave so they syndicate can go full RS and SRAM I bet
  • 1 0
 This is an interesting thought considering what the current line looks like... But Greg isn't the only effected rider. Golstone has been on Fox his entire life. I don't see SC messing with that considering the kid nearly won it all his first year out of the box... and the bike is designed around Fox. It's one of the only bikes left in the line that is. Nina's been on Fox a long time. Even on the team that she ran for herself. Same with Laurie. Mondraker was on Fox too. Same with Peaty. Was originally on RS but I think he's been on Fox almost as long as the 40's been out.
  • 4 3
 Gotta pay for all those cracked Reserve rims somehow........
  • 1 0
 This makes me sad. Old, too.
  • 1 0
 That might free up some cash to afford Vali???
  • 1 0
 Dooo Dooo Dooo doo doo MINNA MINNA
  • 1 1
 Wherever he ends up, I hope no jobs are cut to make up the budget shortfall...
  • 2 1
 In other news Santa Cruz is broke
  • 1 0
 Every company is having problems right now in the bike world but I'd say they're far from broke. Making less than usual but I'd venture to guess they've got a few dollars in the bank.
  • 2 1
 Norco
  • 1 0
 Peaty ?
  • 3 4
 Minnar never struck me as fitting Santa Cruz's image. He seem much more like a Specialized, Canyon, Yeti, etc sponsored guy.
  • 4 0
 He definitely seemed more laid back when Peaty and Ratboy were his team mates.
  • 29 1
 Santa Cruz hasn’t been remotely cool or punk rock since like 2012…
  • 2 0
 @norcalbike: I still think their bikes are rad and designed for aggressive downhill rider, but they are super expensive now. They are very corporate since it sold the company to Pon company and Roskopp left a year ago. I haven't owned a Santa Cruz since my 2012 Blur LT. Rad bike though.
  • 1 2
 You've clearly never been around these guys and gals. All of them are very professional, but also know how to send it better than most. It's very much in-line with what I've seen from that company for quite some time.
  • 2 1
 @onemanarmy: Did I ever say they were not professional? Just that every company has a particular image or lifestyle they are trying to portray. Minnar never seemed like a Santa Cruz-type guy to me. Just my opinion.
  • 1 1
 @tacklingdummy: All good. I get it. I mean Ratboy had his own vibe. Did fit the stoney skater vibe. But I suppose I dont' know what a Santa Cruz type person is... having lived here for as long as I have you'd think I would.
  • 1 1
 Sounds like Ham left Mercedes then join Ferrari .
  • 3 3
 Norco is more like the Williams of DH racing, to be honest.
  • 1 0
 Blenki be like, wtf.
  • 1 0
 Alonso style?
  • 1 1
 more than a few new sponsors...
@hotchillee.cc
  • 7 8
 It's on VitalMTB since two days now. Smile
  • 1 2
 Who?
  • 4 7
 what happened to the advent calendar?
  • 6 0
 half of bike companies going tits up for 6 months straight
  • 1 0
 @vemegen: good point
  • 3 0
 I got a lifetime of 26" minions. I could contribute a pair....
  • 3 0
 @vemegen: That's the PERFECT time to be involved. They're ALL sitting on product, could use the write off and could use the free marketing.
  • 1 2
 @onemanarmy: Very true. I expect PB just couldn't be arsed to organise it this year.
  • 11 14
 I think dh is dying
  • 4 5
 Long live RB hard line
  • 3 0
 The problem with DH is that you need a really specific place to really ride DH. It is only accessible mainly at bike parks and very few local trails. You just can't practice and charge DH anywhere with the type of trails and/or all the people around.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: need to move out the Bay hommie. I did and haven’t looked back and got plenty of 1 way DH trails here you can bomb down without a worry. Don’t let Demo Forest ruin you.
  • 2 2
 @krumpdancer101: I'm toning down my downhill charging as I get older. I like the trails and weather here, just not a fan of the politics. If I move, I'm moving abroad. Wink
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