Rimpact ProThe Rimpact Pro uses two densities of foam. There is the larger, softer arear that sits against the rim and the harder compound strip on top.
The Rimpact Pro is a malleable, dual density, wedge shaped insert that only comes in pairs. You can get sets that mix the Pro with the Original, which only uses one density, or sets that include a 29" as well as a 27.5" insert. Because the insert sits on the well of the rim, a trait shared with the CushCore, special insert valves are needed and are included in the box.
Rimpact ProWeight: 150g
Price per set: $99
Special Valves? Provided
Wheel sizes: 27.5 & 29"
Website: rimpactmtb.com From the first run on the Rimpact and its qualities were very apparent. It's far more of a platform and significantly firmer than some of the other inserts on test. After a few runs, I let down the pressure to 18/21psi. It was so much firmer that it had a noticeable effect on how I weighted the bike. Initially, I didn’t have as much spring in the tire so my weight fore/aft was off when riding drops. This is something you get used to very quickly, but the way you preload the tire seems to be a little different.
The Rimpact’s performance could be summed up in one sentence - the harder you push it the more it gives you. What I would term the
corn flour effect where the harder you hit it the more it firms up is very apparent.
It feels like far more of a system. It’s not something to be used with your normal pressures but rather in conjunction with the lower pressures enabled by running the insert. The grip was fantastic. The firmer feeling is not dissimilar to running a heavier compression tune. It thudded through everything it came across and it felt amazing. It rewards you the more you push and I consider it to be a performance product aimed at people who don’t merely want to protect their rims from occasional impacts, but rather people who need inserts to enable them to run lower pressures without them immediately breaking wheels.
I found that the Rimpact could be fatiguing at times. It doesn't feel that comfortable, in that you often feel like you ride on the support of the material as opposed to solely on the tire supported by a chamber of air. It offers huge amounts of grip, but to say that there isn’t a trade off in terms of comfort wouldn’t be true. I also tend to run a very firm spring rate, which could have exacerbated this issue to some extent. I would, however, be very curious to try the Rimpact with a slightly lighter compression tune on my fork.
I eventually went down as low as 17/19psi on a particularly wet day. The grip of the Rimpact is genuinely quite fantastic. Getting onto high lines over off camber roots is very impressive and there is a tangible gain to be had. Going down to such low pressures felt very bizarre and I was certainly a little skeptical. However, the Rimpact supports the tire in such a way that it delivers enormous grip and a great platform in turns. Once you hit something, instead of your wheel deflecting off, it tends to "stay hit". I would liken this to the use of a shot-hammer.
When riding turns without inserts, should you run lower pressures, the tire can almost be left behind as it finds grip, and the rim moves laterally across it. The Rimpact’s support means that although you can get the grip of the low pressure, it’s supportive enough that it can really carve turns and stops the rim running amuck under lateral load.
Through compressions, it took some massive clangs. When striking the wheel against rocks, the noise that came out definitely let itself be known. Although the Rimpact offered a huge amount of support it wasn’t as quiet as I would have liked. It was hard to say if this was the insert slapping against the rim or perhaps the wheel itself transmitting the sound. Either way, I did notice it.
It’s definitely more fatiguing than other inserts but that could also be something to do with the grip - it wills you to hit things harder. To get the most out of the Rimpact you have to crack on to go into the stroke of the insert. And if you do so you will be duly rewarded. If the Tannus is a parachute then this is more like a bungy jump - the freefall is minimal and, much like the chord of elastic taking up the tension, the insert duly picks up the load from a relatively early stage.
Pros
+ A genuine performance product
+ The most supportive on test
+ Offered a transformative change
+ Enables you to run ultra-low pressures
Cons
- Not everyone wants a transformative change
- Could be slightly noisy
- Prioritises performance over comfort
Understatement of the f*cking year right here.
I managed a full tyre swap in under 20mins the other day and can often get a tyre back on without a lever now I've done it a few times. Rush it and/or cut corners and you'll curse and regret it!
I can fit a tyre in 10mins if if goes smoothly now I'v had some practise.
ive set up a dozen or so bikes with them now, and actually just installed one the other day. it took me maybe an extra 5 minutes (and thats being generous) more than a regular tubeless setup.
once you get it, its pretty easy to do. Keep paying me to do it, i dont mind easy money!
Bah. He has made the weakness leave his puny mechanic's body. The pain is progress comrade. Bah!
One more BAH for gargantuan measure I say!
Has anyone mentioned the issue people have with CushCore causing leaks in the rim tape since it's a PHYSICAL piece of material constantly tugging, pushing & presssing on the rim tape?
Top tip: Watch the CC installation video and follow it.
Seriously though, it will be a pain but there are some helpful you tube vids of how to pop the bead and get one side of the tyre off and put a tube in without having to carry the insert home over your shoulder which are worth checking out! Figure a very rare trail side curse-fest will be worth the amount of trouble free riding time I've had and my wheels are lasting longer too!
Anyone who complains about changing a tire with Cushcore should try changing a moto tire. You will come out of it with a new perspective that all MTB tires are super easy to change.
I just mounted a brand new (greasy) DD Aggressor to a brand new (warranty replacement) Reserve 30 with a used CushCore with no tire levers in under 5 mins.
Once the CC is stretched around the rim for even a day it's almost a non factor. I imagine people who struggle with it would be struggling without it too.
I normally install Cushcore without levers and with little effort using a trash can so I think I've got a good hang of it, but there are combinations usually involving the Assegai and carbon where it isn't as easy as I'd like, though it's still worth the effort!
I went from running 19 PSI in the front and 20 PSI in the rear to 16 front / 17 rear.
I love the way the setup feels on rocks and roots. But my bike feels slow on flat ground.
I don’t know if it is from low tire pressure, the tires, or the inserts, or a combo of all the above.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
But there's both
Now what do I bitch about :'( maaaaybe I'll go ride a bike
youtu.be/QyTyjQbvylg?t=96
I also have suspension tuned to be able to get up and over rocks and roots. It works.
WTB tires are heavy AF. The Judge is the same weight as a full blown wire bead DH tire. Add Cush Core and I'm exceeding DH tire weight from the get go. The Verdict light is 1200 grams. With CC, it weighs the same as a DH34, but without the slash protection.
Love inserts and they're great. But I feel that they're more useful for lighter casings and when cut protection isn't a priority. Start moving to dual ply and heavier, more robust tires, and wire bead DH tires without inserts are the way to go.
Like others have said, CushCore install is not bad if you follow their instructions. I've done it without even using a tire lever before.
“It feels like it’s not to stop you from rimming out, but rather it makes that impact far more pleasant and takes the edge off. . . which would suggest that it does as it promises and would back up the sensations when riding that the air is doing the work, as opposed to riding on the material itself.”
At this point, I would say my experiment has been inconclusive. I've had two flats so far this season since running the insert, both from cuts in the casing at the tread. Both times from casing a landing on rocks and puncturing the tread. First tire was caput, second tire seems to be still alive with the help of a Stans Dart.
My operating theory is that the EXO+ has less layers under the tread of the tire. DD doesn't just have the extra sidewall protection, but an entire additional layer of casing. This makes it more puncture resistant all around.
I also am finding that the EXO+ casing is more compliant, despite running the same pressure in the EXO+ (with insert) as I did with DD (29 psi). So there is more grip, but the tire is also wearing out a lot quicker. Whereas before I could run a new tire from spring to the end of summer (put a fresh one on in the fall), now I think this tire will only make it to early summer before wearing out.
so, positives are a slight lighter weight system, more compliant tire for better grip, and better rim protection
negatives are less stability, faster wear, and increased punctures.
Not sure what to do with this information now. :\
Had masses of grip and didn't hear the rim hit once. Thought it felt slightly squirmy in the corners so I'll probably go up 1 psi for the next ride.
I also have tired under 20 PSI, and it feels like the tires don't give the support needed (even with Cushcore). I am totally sold on Cushcore though, and use a mix of XC and Pro inserts on my bikes depending on tire choice etc.
I am giving Tannus Armor (with the tubes) a shot.. going to try and run light wieght tubes (like those new Pirelli scorpions)
what are you running atm? only in the rear tire?
My solution( after I rode behind a buddy and watched his Cushcore XC wobble like crazy on his trail bike for multiple hours) has been to not look at my rear wheel for wobbles in my Tannus.
Logically, there is simply no way that something as pliable as Tannus or Cushcore, etc...made out of unbalanced, semi-stable foams sprayed into a mold and then creased multiple times just to package...isn't going to deform when rotating.
They can't even make tires not wobble.
I simply assume that my bike has a hyperactive little boxer puppy's ass and wiggles non-stop.
For 80% of people, the Tannus tubeless is prime. Its the lightest and cheapest of the bunch. I doubt anyone who isn't on the front two rows of a world cup XC start line will be able to tell the extra drag that the Tannus adds.
For the last 20% of people who demand more "support", get the Tannus Armor with tubes. I agree with the review- the tubelesss isn't as stiff as other options, and won't prevent tire fold as much, but if you really need that and want the ultimate damping you're going to have to sacrifice weight. At that point the Tannus Armor is untouchable.
Another plus of the Tannus Armor is if you've pinched through a sidewall and cannot run tubeless anymore with a tire, throw a Tannus Armor and a tube in there. I ran one on a minion with a 10mm long sidewall gash for half a season no problems.
They all starting to rattle after a couple of months because they stretched. Which you could actually repair by cutting and tie zipping according to Nukeproof but I didn't bother.
I have also weighted them because the inside of my tires seemed to be quite dry and they were all almost 200g a piece instead of 144g claimed: or they were heavier than advertised from the beginning or they have greedily drunk my tire sealant...
I removed them and first following downhill I have exploded my dt E1700 on a rock never had this before so they were probably protecting the rim. Performance wise I didn't notice a difference in sidewall support or about these damping stories.
I have now removed them and I run 30psi behind at least it is silent and lighter and so far I don't break rims.
If a company made injectable spray foam that would not stick to anything once cured for easy removal, I might be tempted to try inserts. Vibro Tan Anus said what?
nsmb.com/articles/cushcore-preferable-heavier-tire-casing
I especially liked it because it justified my lazy approach of just running double downs without inserts
Modern trail/enduro/dh tires are so damn good...
Fussing around with inserts is such a pain in the ass especially when you then have a flat you end up messing around on the trail...
Adding Tannus to my trail bike this week as the limiting factor for my fun is corning with high tire pressures.
But yeah they are pricey, but again, I only use it in the rear tire so it's one set for 2 bikes. In 5 years of riding them across 6 bikes and 3 continents I've only had 2 of the high pressure inner tubes fail, 1 was shortly after install so I think it was just a dud (or install error) and the second was dicking around trying to ride out my DH run after ripping the tire...
for all day long rides - just had a pump and some bacon ;
It really sounds weird - buy ultralight carbon rim, thin condom tyre and put insert into it - will be same result as regular tyre with all rim in weight, performance wise gains are noticeable when u ride against the clock, when u ride for fun - neglect able difference
Install is pretty damn easy with Pedros levers and EXO casings. Put tire on wheel, get the insert wings mounted between the beads of the rim and work to get it centered. From there, just get the tire bead on the wheel like normal. Getting the last 12" of the bead mounted is a tiny bit tricky. I found that if I put a foot on each side of the tire sidewall that is already mounted, it'll keep the tire from trying to pop off while I mount the last bit. From there, I use a couple of Pedro's levers to work the remainder of the tire on and I am in business. To keep the tire from wobbling, work the insert towards the middle of the rim before putting air in the tire.
kids, don't try too use flour-y prose when righting about MTBs.
Henery no longer with GMBN? Henery is the the Nuclear Physicist of MTB ! Love his methodical explanations looking at things from an angle that is unique and accurate.
Welcome Mate!!
You mean corn _flour_, or corn starch.
Took me a minute: "What the hell does a certain shade of blue might have to do with anything at all in this context? Oh, they mean "corn starch and water", aka "oobleck", a shear-thickening substance, aka non-newtonian fluid."
Nice article. You should give the Rimpact originals a go. They are likely more appropriate for the average rider. the Pro's are designed for enduro racers hitting shit hard. The Original's forego the extra hard layer that is likely contributing to the negative characteristics you described
Cheers
I've been using the original rimpacts for a couple of years and found I only take them out in the muddiest of UK months when speeds are a lot lower, although I'm interested in trying the Pro ones now and going even lower in pressure.
I've yet to use them, but do they make a noticeable difference? I plan on testing them this weekend, hopefully my opinion can change about them.
Longer term, if you're running Rimpact, I'd suggest this setup.
Apologies in advance for the pedantry, but an insert designed for a nominal 36" wheel would be 22" longer than one for a nominal 29" wheel!
Which does make Vittoria's standard sizing even more strange.
I want to know how much rim protection each insert offers. More support at lower pressures is nice, but the same rocks that slice tires also destroy rims.
Looking forward to any testing that focuses on how impacts are handled.
So far, I’ve noticed that inserts let me run 5-6psi less pressure in the rear tire than I used to run (seems like 16psi feels about like 22psi used to be without the insert, both being about as low as I’d go on the sloppiest of days, most days I’m higher in pressure).
I tried out the inserts, because in the winter wet roots of the PNW I sometimes get the feeling that I’m “ping ponging” at tire pressures high enough to prevent squirm in berms. So far, it seems to have done exactly that.
At the moment, I’m not sure I’ll keep them in the front year round (though no strong desire to take them out so far either). I may very wellkeep the rear in though, as I’ve dented my rear rim a number of times even through the DD class rear tire I’ve been using, and 25-30psi in the rear during the summers.
nukeproof.com/products/horizon-advanced-rim-defence-ard-pair
I'm running CushCores and cannot get rid of the wobble they introduce to the tire. Its not enough to be a problem at anything other than high speeds, but I've re-seated the insert multiple times to no avail.
I actually find them quiet and the feel combined with a DD/SG tyre is great. Helps a lot with fatigue on long park days too.
Installation of the regular is easy, Pro is a bit tougher but taking your time and pushing the tyre bead into the rim well is key. Haven't really felt like I was going to stretch the tyre or snap a lever, and this was on DD/SG casings.
On the plus side, I can now run a tire from new to bald without having to swap it out...so the grief during install is worth the longevity I get out of my tires. Before inserts, I was constantly buying new tires or just giving in and going with DH tubes but now I can plow through these nasty southern arizona rocks on carbon rims without any worry.
I went from running 19 PSI in the front and 20 PSI in the rear to 16 front / 17 rear.
I love the way the setup feels on rocks and roots. But my bike feels slow on flat ground.
I don’t know if it is from low tire pressure, the tires, or the inserts, or a combo of all the above.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
I changed out my tires from 2.2 Bontreger XR2 team to 2.4 Maxxis Recon and added Rimpact Original inserts.
I went from running 19 PSI in the front and 20 PSI in the rear to 16 front / 17 rear.
I love the way the setup feels on rocks and roots. But my bike feels slow on flat ground.
I don’t know if it is from low tire pressure, the tires, or the inserts, or a combo of all the above.
Any insight would be appreciated.
Thanks.
so like a non-Newtonian fluid
The modern Germán use of the word originated from the ww2 tank. And most often the usage of the word refers to the Germán Panzer.
And no I don't know why those accents are there, ffs autocorrect.
Germany is one country.. To a lot of people(especially those who watch the history Channel and made the websites that come up on google) Panzer means Nazi tank. Definitely doesn't "just" mean tank.
On the other hand, a tank is always plural here - "tanks". A Tanks. 8/
It is true that back in WW2 Germans already called their tanks "Panzer" so technically your right, you can call a WW2 German Tank a "Panzer". I am not sure what a "Nazi-Panzer" is to be honest, is there a ranking of good and bad tanks according to who opperated it ? -maybe, but which name is ok and which is not ?
Cane creek double barrel- sure
Intense- M 1 , M16 -sure
Intense Uzzi -hard one
Madonna RAAW V2- is V2 ok?-just google it
Vorsprung Luftkappe -German and close to "Luftwaffe" -yikes
I guess we live in a world where a lot of people wants to misunderstand things just to be outraged - i am pretty sure said company(s) did not want to glorify any Nazistuff whatsoever- just think and chill.
The same for Kriegs marine = war marine
Source. Friend of mine from Germany. Thanks for confirming
(Luftkappe - Aircap)
That said, it is definitely harder than installing a tire and is probably still the hardest to install of the inserts tested. Look forward to seeing where this goes!
The benefits of inserts are real. I try to balance them out with lighter casing tires EXO+ to offset weight, and this works well for my 175lbs and PNW terrain.
Easy to install, doesn't absorb sealant and you can still use it with tubes if you have an emergency. ($42 each)
Found it here but shipping is $50.
www.sessioncomponents.com
Looks light, like 100gms.
"Tubeless tires have won-out against their tubed counterparts in mountain biking but that doesn’t mean that it’s the perfect system. Not only is it vulnerable to the possibility of burping the air out of the tire at high load or while cornering, it also needs to be a system that keeps damage and destruction at bay while withstanding a whole variety of different forces and abrasions."
I have not had a flat in 2-3 seasons with my minions and tubes at near max PSI. I welcome the hate---because while you are taking the 1/2 hour to hour to setup your cushcore--I'm already on the trail.
I run mine at 29-30 with slime filled tubes. Stops all the thorns and doesn’t cause me any grief.
Yup, because everyone is setting up their tubeless tires and inserts in the parking lot...
I know this because I demoed a YETI SB115 from a low PSI believer bike shop manager....guess what?? I dInged the rim on a root I used as a takeoff and burped the rear in a berm. Kudos, to him putting money where his mouth is though....Do you believe in what you say enough to accept the challenge???
I guess I should start filming all this and putting my findings out there...I just have no desire to make youtube videos or really even film when I'm out riding. I'll make sure to send you the video if I do make one though....I'd really like to use you in the video..that way I can cost you some money and maybe make some money in the process----your call
If someone is being "rattled" to death on a bike with suspension....then maybe the issue is with their body--not the tires...just an opinion.
Serious question and not ripping on anyone here.... but how often do you lift weights/pushups/etc....? I personally do 6 days a week with the deck of cards workout. 10 cards push-ups, 5 abs, 5 squats, 10 push-ups, 5 abs, 5 squats, 4 push-ups, 4 abs, 4 squats.
Edit* forgot to add...I do 3, 3 minute rounds of jump rope as well to round things off.