18 Bikes That Could Be Updated in 2024

Jan 5, 2024 at 9:48
by Jessie-May Morgan  
It's time once again to gaze into the crystal ball and try to guess which new bikes we'll see released this year. While supply chain issues were the source of major hold ups in recent years, it may well be the opposite problem - oversupply - that is delaying bike launches now. While there are still heaps of heavily discounted bikes around, a newly released bike at its full price is going to be a harder sell than ever, especially at a time when the pace of geometry change is slowing down.

Indeed, we don't foresee any mind blowing changes there, though it seems a few brands in this list may have some catching up to do, particularly in the seat tube angle department. That doesn't mean there aren't new developments to look forward to, though. There are plenty of advancements on the horizon when it comes to drivetrains and suspension, and hopefully the level of adjustment put into the hands of the rider. There'll be heaps of new eMTBs in the works I'm sure, but for now I'll keep the focus of this article on the bikes.

For those who aren't familiar with the process, bike companies typically refresh a model every three years or so, which means that compiling this list is as scientific as going through the archives and looking at the bikes that haven't been updated in a few years. There were also plenty of teasers released by companies over the summer as their athletes tried out the new bikes ahead of their official launch.

Keep in mind that this list focuses on updates or revisions to existing models - there are also lots of completely new bikes in the works.




specialized enduro 2020

Specialized Enduro, Demo & Stumpjumper EVO

It's now well over four years since Specialized updated the Enduro. Aside from the fact that we're now well beyond the usual development cycle for a new model, there is a comparatively more substantiable indication that the Enduro is about to be overhauled. That comes in the form of a recent patent application, describing an Under Bottom Bracket suspension layout. It is not dissimilar to the layout of the Demo prototype raced by Loic Bruni and Finn Illes, but the document discusses its use on a 170mm travel frame pictured in some instances with space for a water bottle in the front triangle.

The UBB design is said to allow designers to “independently fine-tune key ride dynamics components, including axle path, shock leverage rate, and anti-squat/anti-rise characteristics for braking". While the kinematic, and the rider's ability to fine tune it, may change, we can't see the geometry changing heaps. Aside from its fairly slack seat tube angle, all other metrics seem to be fairly in line with other aggressive enduro bikes on the market. That said, i'm sure there's a hefty portion of the market that wishes an MX version would materialize.

The Stumpjumper EVO is also getting a little long in the tooth, having not seen an update since 2020. While time is marching on, we can't really identify any obvious revisions that this one might benefit from. Mike Kazimer's review was wholly positive.




2020 Nukeproof Reactor review

Nukeproof Reactor & Mega

There is an elephant in the room here, of course. The future of Nukeproof is, sadly, a little uncertain. Its parent company, Signa Sports United, is currently up for sale after entering administration at the tail end of last year. Word is that the "sales process is gathering pace", and so we hope to see Nukeproof (and Vitus, Chain Reaction Cycles and Wiggle) back in business well before 2024 is out.

All being well, we reckon Nukeproof will renew its 130-150mm trail bike at some point this year. The Reactor, currently available in a 27.5" 150mm travel iteration, and a 29" 130mm iteration, has remained unchanged since its inception in 2019. I don't imagine the 27.5" option will remain in place, and any second generation 29" Reactor will have its travel bumped up to around 140mm, with some subtle geometry updates; likely a slacker head angle, and (one would hope) a steeper seat tube angle. It'll go to UDH, too.


2021 Nukeproof Mega

Then, there's the Nukeproof Mega, an enduro bike that was last updated in 2020. The V4 has seen an incremental update with the introduction of the 297 (mullet) frameset, but it was created from the marriage between the 290's front triangle and the 275's swingarm, rather than a frame that was necessarily developed from the ground up. And, though the existence of the Mega was called into question with the launch of the Giga "Super Enduro" bike, we did in fact see many of Nukeproof's enduro athletes opt for the shorter travel Mega for most of the EDR races in 2023.





Norco Optic C2 review Photo by Trevor Lyden

Norco Optic & Sight

The Norco Optic is well overdue an update, still unchanged since its inception in 2019. Even with the update to the Fluid FS last year, there is still a heap of overlap between the two short travel 29ers. Only 5mm separates their rear wheel travel, and the geometry differences are few and far between; for example, head angle, reach and chainstay length are identical. We see the biggest difference at the BB, with the Optic 8mm lower than the Fluid FS.

We can see this going in one of two directions – either the Optic will be pushed more towards the downcountry side of the spectrum, billed as a more capable version of the Revolver, or it'll go the other way, with a little more travel to make it a full-blown aggressive trail bike, leaving the Fluid FS as the more mellow, all-rounder.

Norco Sight 2020 review

The Sight is also due an update, the latest 150mm travel iteration having been kicking around since early 2020. While Mike Kazimer's impressions were largely quite positive, it seems that the linkage left a little to be desired in terms of its bottom-out resistance. We'd expect Norco to increase the bike's overall progression from its current 18.75%, specifically with a lower end-stroke ratio. It could well go the way of the Shore freeride bike, with a higher main pivot location and an idler pulley, but still making use of the four-bar linkage rather than adopting the virtual pivot design of the Range enduro bike.

It's also worth mentioning that the Sight is currently available in both 27.5" and 29" configurations. We don't foresee that 27.5" option sticking around, though it may remain for the smallest frame size with good justification for doing so.



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YT Izzo

The YT Izzo was last updated in 2020, making it a strong contender for renewal in 2024. The 130mm travel trail bike fared well in our 2022 Value Field Test, and our testers had only a minor gripe about clearance around the shock valve and frame. Realistically, I can't see this one getting any radical changes in 2024, but it will likely accrue that neat frame storage we saw on the new Jeffsy.



2021 Marin Alpine Trail XR. Photographer Andy Lloyd

Marin Alpine Trail

Marin's longest travel offering is the Alpine Trail, currently available in both carbon and aluminum. The current version came into being in 2020, and it does not run a UDH. That will certainly be rectified in any new iteration. I can't see the geometry getting a huge overhaul; the headtube angle is already a slack 63.5°, and the steep seat angles are in line with the prevailing trend. It is a dedicated 29er at the moment, so it would be nice to see Marin add capacity for wheel size adjustment. The linkage-driven single pivot delivers 150mm travel, so there's plenty of scope for this one to gain at least 10mm rear wheel travel, possibly more, with potential for the 430mm stays to gain some length, too.



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Transition Scout and Transition Sentinel

There's every chance that Transition will simply discontinue its 27.5" wheel 140mm travel Scout, what with 27.5" wheels becoming something of a dying breed. It's coming up on four years since the Scout saw any meaningful updates, and we can't really see them pouring a heap of R&D resources into an evolution of this particular configuration. That said, it's not impossible the Scout will move to a mullet setup, just as we saw Santa Cruz reposition the 5010, only with slightly more aggressive geometry figures.

Transition Sentinel V2

It's been a long time since the Sentinel saw an overhaul, too. The very well-received incumbent has been in place since 2020. I'd like to think that any new iteration of the Sentinel will see some kind of drainage port put in place underneath the shock to eradicate the issue of the "loam swimming pool", and I reckon taller riders will want to see that effective seat tube angle go steeper, in line with more recently released bikes of this category. Again, I can't see any radical changes coming from Transition, and I'd eat my hat if they moved away from the Horst platform.



Pole Machine review

Scott Gambler and Ransom

It's no huge surprise to see Scott implementing the integrated shock solution - seen on the Genius and Spark - on a new Ransom. An annotated prototype was spotted last season at the EDR in Loudenvielle, France. It'll be interesting to see how Scott will tackle the issue of shock temperature, which I imagine is something that would've at least been considered, especially in the context of the 12+ minute race runs that the EDR often presents. Chances are it won't fit a coil shock, as the current Ransom is capable of. Oh, and fingers crossed they'll have abandoned the thru-headset cable routing we saw on the prototype.

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Another model that has remained the same since 2020 is the Gambler downhill bike. It's hard to imagine how this one might change; it already has two sets of flip-chips that let you run either rear wheel size and change the suspension’s progression. We’ve seen Scott play around with pulleys and high pivots before now, but they never committed to the design. Perhaps they will revisit it, given how much success high pivot designs have seen on the World Cup circuit in recent years. Or, they'll go ahead and bamboozle us all by putting the shock inside a DH frame, too.



EWS Zermatt bike check

Lapierre Spicy

This one's a sure thing. A new Lapierre Spicy was spotted underneath Lapierre-Zipp Collective team rider, Adrien Dailly, ahead of the EDR in Morzine-Avoriaz last season. Like the current model that Isabeau Courdurier rode to victory on in 2022 and 2023, the new frame runs a four-bar linkage, but it looks to have a slightly different layout wherein the more horizontally-oriented shock is simultaneously compressed from each end as the rear wheel is displaced.

It'll run a UDH dropout for T-Type compatibility, and will probably have that flip-chip on the lower shock mount, which could allow for geometry, wheel size, travel adjustment, or all of the above.



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Pivot Switchblade

The Switchblade materialized in its current 142mm travel configuration in 2020, with Super Boost rear spacing and the capacity to run a 29" x 2.6" or 27.5" x 2.8" rear tire. Turns out that the market's appetite for high-volume tires sort of peters out beyond 2.5". It's my understanding that demand for a 27.5"+ rear end is remarkably low. While the Super Boost rear-end on the Firebird enduro bike is arguably easier to justify, it seems a little out of place on a bike of this category.

To that effect, I wouldn't be surprised if Pivot were to return to the 148mm Boost standard. I reckon it would make the bike a more attractive proposition, with the potential to make an already lightweight frame even lighter.



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Evil Following

It's coming up on four years since Evil Bikes last updated their 120mm travel 29er, the Following. We did see it switch to a UDH swingarm in 2022, but all other details were left untouched. So, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw it refreshed in 2024, with more aggressive geometry figures that will push it toward the more extreme end of the downcountry category. While the 66.4º head tube angle was a little ahead of its time in 2020, it seems a little conservative now, especially in the context of highly-capable descenders like the Canyon Spectral 125.



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Devinci Troy

The Devinci Troy Carbon has existed in its current 140mm travel format since late 2020. It's their "no excuses" all-mountain bike with a split pivot suspension platform and adjustable geometry. Could it go the way of the Spartan and the Chainsaw with a higher main pivot and idler pulley to boot, or will Devinci keep to the more traditional layout with the comparatively lower maintenance?

Ibis Ripmo 2

Ibis Ripmo and Ripmo AF

Over four years has gone by since Ibis updated the Ripmo, or its aluminum counterpart, the Ripmo AF. And, both models are on sale with 25% off the RRP of the GX, SLX and XT builds, as well as the frame only. For a little while, the Ripmo was Ibis' longest travel bike with a 29" wheel, and it certainly saw its fair share of EWS racing action underneath Robin Wallner and Bex Baraona. The burlier HD6 now occupies that territory with 165mm travel on an MX configuration.

Realistically, we can't see the Ripmo or Ripmo AF changing too dramatically. Nevertheless, it'll be interesting to see how Ibis, and all of these brands, go about differentiating themselves at a time when bike geometry is pretty dialed.




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  • 158 3
 As someone who is still riding the Norco Sight as pictured above, its truly proven to be the greatest do-it-all MTB. Simple to service, versatile, and reliable. 15,000 KMs and counting of Vancouver island jank.
  • 34 5
 Hopefully the new HP version will be as trusty
  • 14 1
 Got a Sight last year and absolutely love it. The cascade link takes it to another level too.
  • 10 12
 @morgandewirth: Can you find a single negative review of the current HP Shore? There's a good reason I ask... Nobody is perfect but I doubt Norco is going to make many mistakes on the next Sight.
  • 12 0
 @willis1021: Same can be said for the Optic with a link !
  • 17 19
 I agree but i wouldnt say greatest do-it-all, The new fuel probably takes that or even the spectral.
The Sight is built like a tank and weighs like one aswell.
IMO if they updated the linkage with a longer stroke shock, increased stack - it'll probably be one of the best bikes ever.

But 100% they will put a High pivot on it and ruin what makes the bike so good.
  • 20 1
 I'd say the same of my Sentinel.
  • 12 4
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Paul aston wasn't a fan.
  • 4 15
flag HeatedRotor FL (Jan 8, 2024 at 12:00) (Below Threshold)
 @ridedigrepeat: sentinel update will steepen the HTA or make the reach longer. its to unbalanced currently.
  • 20 6
 @j-t-g: I used to rate Paul Aston but now the only bikes good enough are his own gambling funded custom made 200mm rigs.
  • 1 0
 It's a simple clean and gorgeous looking frame as well...I Would love to ride one.
  • 4 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Common feedback...it drops chains and the stock idler needs to be replaced way too often - both things I expect to be fixed on the new HP sight and optic
  • 35 29
 @HeatedRotor: no real mountainbiker buys a trek.
  • 2 2
 @HeatedRotor: I'm not making a statement about the quality of the review, I'm merely pointing out an example of a single negative review about the high pivot shore.
  • 2 0
 I have an alloy Norco Sight with a Cascade linkage and it's a mint bike. It's the bike that converted me to 29er.
  • 8 0
 I saw the new Sight and Optic and they’re quite a departure, but in a good way!
  • 4 0
 @ridedigrepeat: yep, I'd say the same about my Sentinel too.
  • 1 0
 Agreed. It was ahead of a lot of other companies. That s the one I m waiting for.
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley:
There are a few, it's not that great a bike.
  • 1 1
 new Optic and Sight will be released when the inventory of the current models goes down... wander if they'll have a 2 fer 1 as well.
  • 9 3
 @BoneDog: Thats an awful opinion lol
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: I understand that, but i was voicing that Paul's reviews are a bit Voided now.
  • 8 14
flag heavyp FL (Jan 8, 2024 at 14:44) (Below Threshold)
 As if the bike industry wasn’t already in a terrible place, now the biggest bike website in the world has just put more road blocks in place for numerous companies!

If there are no bike companies left you won’t have a website, nice work OUTSIDE or whoever took over the site
  • 2 0
 @heavyp: can you explain what you mean by this? Are you saying that this article is going to have a negative impact on the bike industry by discouraging people to buy bikes?
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: yeah there’s a shit ton
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: Initially, no. but Paul bough that bike almost 3 years ago and Norco has already addressed and resolved all of the issues he had with the bike.

"Since then Norco has fixed all the problems I highlighted (so it was not just me moaning!) and has sent out new frame parts and bike components to existing owners changed the specification on the new models, changed their setup guide and manufacturing processes all thanks to my independent review!

This bike was a nightmare for me, but ultimately Shore customers are getting their existing bikes upgraded or better bikes in the future. "
  • 4 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: but the issues should have been found during testing.... why use customers as testers
  • 2 0
 @jaydawg69: it would be ideal if all issues were found during testing. You're not wrong in that sense but having issue with the product doesn't mean you intended your customers to test it for you.
  • 2 0
 Same here. The sight is my version of the perfect bike. Just enough travel, not too much. Good looking with nice straight lines, simple and no HP. It’ll be cool to see how the new HP is reviewed (shots of the bike on vital)

I have an aluminum one and it’s just heavy as f*ck. But that’s what makes it rock solid. I wish I could get it down to 30lbs and I’d never get a new bike.
  • 2 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: it seems like it was rushed to get it to market based on the issues that Paul had and everyone else as Norco had to change a few things.... not the best look. Hopefully they have the new Sight and Optic sorted.
  • 2 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Optic and Sight are HP bikes, likely sharing the same front triangle

www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/2020-MTB-Tech-rumors-and-innovation,10797?page=502
  • 1 0
 @HeatedRotor: tell me more, what would a HP ruin?
  • 2 0
 Glad you said that ! Just got myself a great deal on a 2023 sight. Can't wait to ride it
  • 7 1
 @morgandewirth: I just do not understand why norco would go High Pivot on the short travel bikes, while the efficiency downsides to the idler isn’t huge it’s definitely there. It adds a level of complexity and inefficiency to a short travel bike where descending isn’t the focus.
  • 2 0
 @j-t-g: I had all the same problems he did and more.
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: I imagine they're as close as the current Sight and Optic are. Sharing parts? No. Sharing design principles? Likely.
  • 2 2
 Wish I coulda said the same about my Sight eeb. Broke the chainstays after 1,500 mi of self shuttle laps. (seat stays and front triangle carbon funny enough) Norco was great about the warranty. No questions or receipts asked for, they just asked if I crashed and was ok. They said they had to ship the chainstays to a dealer, 1hr away. Also had wire harness short issues on the bike, which required me to drive 1hr away multiple times. Decent riding bike but was a lemon, and was a big mark against the whole dealership model for me, especially after having such a good experience with Norco themselves. (dealer I dealt with was a joke)
Next eeb will be a Decoy. Cheap, tried and true, and if there's an issue it's a drive to UPS (boxed up bikes many times, so that's not a hassle to me)
  • 1 3
 new optic and sight will both be high pivot...this is the way.
  • 6 5
 @torro86: High pivot will be the next Headset routing lol
  • 4 2
 @heavyp: you’re absolutely right last thing the industry needed was a post like this telling everybody their brand new 2020ish bikes are out of date especially since they can’t sell the stock they already have. It’s utter nonsense anyway there’s absolutely nothing wrong with these bikes, if you’ve got this bike and you’ve got complaints, it’s you not the bike, the latest model won’t make you a better rider. Save your money get fitter and better on the bike you do have.
  • 3 0
 @succulentsausage: are you saying you'd rather ship your bike away to be fixed, instead of going to a bike shop and having it done in maybe a couple days at worst? I'd happily drive an hour to not put my bike in the hands of many delivery drivers who don't give a shit.
  • 1 1
 @BoneDog: that's like saying a real racecar driver drives a Honda Accord
  • 1 0
 The Sight is a solid do it all bike, but the rear end needs some work. I had the bike for two years and could never find a setting where you had enough support and traction/sensitivity. You had to choose one or the other. If you’re riding aggressively you need to run that shock really firm to compensate for the lack of bottom out resistance and it tends to have a hard time staying planted.
  • 1 0
 @eblackwell: That's where I found the casecade link really helps. I love the geo and sturdy feel of the frame but couldn't get the rear end quite right. The cascade link definitely fixes all those issues. Granted it does cost extra money but I highly recommend it.
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Notice the modular shock mount on the downtube.....
I'll bet a 6-pack its the same front triangle
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: I could be wrong but the modular shock mount will likely add some other configuration options but they won't be specified as interchangeable. The sight and optic also don't share HTA/TTL/HT length previously at any size or configuration and I don't see Norco using angle set headsets for the sake of sharing front triangles.

It's a very, very close front triangle but I'm convinced it's 100% not the same.
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Instint and Altitude dont share those measurments either, but....
Or the Scor bikes...
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Or the Spire and Patrol, and they dont use HA cups either. It doable with multi link bikes pretty easily.

I mean a 63.5 HA, and a 65 HA arent that far off
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: I get your point but it's just not the case here. While it is totally doable the reality is they're simply not doing it for alot of the reasons I mentioned ... and likely more of their own.
  • 1 0
 I'll wait until Minnaar provides his feedback Wink
  • 1 0
 +1 to that! Still riding my 2014 Norco sight. Still a super capable bike.
  • 1 0
 @zion-i: thats vintage, you would 100% benefit from newer geometry / new tech.
  • 2 0
 @BoneDog: The difference between a 2014 and the 2020+ models are night and day, and not necessarily in a good way. I had a 2014, have a 2019, and have ridden the newer versions. The newer versions are more like the previous iteration of the Range. They're not lively bikes.

I love a lot of what Norco has done over the years, but imo going hp with Sight and Optik is a mistake. They no longer will have a lively, capable trail bike. I'll be curious to take both out to see if my reactions hold any water.
  • 3 0
 @rrolly: sounds like something a slow person would say
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: So, to be clear. You know for a fact thay dont share a front triangle, or its oncjecture on your part?
What I was told, was they share a front triangle, but that isnt something that is being advertised as such
  • 1 0
 Not the greatest!
  • 1 0
 @bbachmei: ...it's called making crap to sell to the idiots.
  • 1 0
 The sight seems like a good bike, I'm deciding between that or a Troy. I currently have an older intense 130mm and it's too short of travel, I could update to a new primer or try something new.. reliable is what I want and the VPP bikes don't seem to fit that bill as easily
  • 1 0
 @adamadam: I have an Alu Sight,
bike has been bombproof, could huck it from the roof of any school, or parked school bus!

Check out the New Knolly Endorphin as well, its a winner, and the Transition bikes, I have had great success, and durability with them.
  • 1 0
 Similar thing could be said about the Optic. Had one as my main bike for two years and if you don't live in the mountains, it's the perfect do-it-all trail bike. Sure, there's some small improvements to be made. The geo is just a bit too long and slack for it's own good and the suspension is very, very firm. But the formula as a whole works great and needs minor tweaks at best.
  • 2 0
 @HeatedRotor: This is what I don't understand. With the Sight they've got an extremely popular bike, a fan favourite and one that reviewed extremely well in pretty much every test it's been in. A real crowd pleaser in its current form. Why on earth would they change that into something entirely different by going high pivot?
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: Exactly, A linkage upgrade and a few other small tweaks and you've got a 'v2' as a marketing name & a damn good bike, i would even buy anther!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: let's just say it wasn't fair to bet on your six pack.
  • 1 0
 @Muscovir: Its certainly not entirely different, its just a slightly higher main pivot really.
None of us have ridden, or even seen the bike entirely yet, and somehow youve decided it wont be even better than it was before?
I for one, want a HP Optic. Possibly a more capable descender (which is really the only criticism it received, you included) with the same firm, efficient pedalling platform, sounds amazing to me. If Norco is somehow able to keep the bike weight down (i doubt it) then that sounds like a real winner to me.

SO same formula for the Sight, a more capable descender, with a firmer more efficient pedalling platform, friggin amazing!
  • 2 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: Fair enough, Id still put the 6pack on it though!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: haha sounds. I'll drink em and probably share too.
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: I cant wait any longer,
I'm pulling the trigger on a V2 Druid
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: New Norco's get released in 10 days, I believe.
  • 2 0
 @rrolly: Yeah, but the Druid V2 is on sale right now, and its mullet, and, well frig, its bound to be better looking than the new Norco.
I have a feeling its gonna be Shore shaped, rather than range shaped, and frig

Screw you @rrolly I've waited long enough!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: It is, but the hp is supposed to be much more efficient than the druid. I just chatted with a guy today that couldn't give me details, but said it rides very very well.
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: enjoy whatever you get - both will be heaps of fun!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: You assume the new Sight wont be available in a mullet....

Also, Shore shaped by the photos on vital.
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: How is it going to be mopre effieicent than the Druid?
The pedalling kinematics of the Druid are pretty friggin good
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: My mistake, Shore shaped, and if it were a beauty contest between the Sight and the Druid, im going with the Druid

I made no assumption about mullet or not with the Sight, I beleive both the Optic and Sight are both mullet capable. I just noted it as FaB of the Druid
  • 1 0
 @rrolly: Druid ordered, I'm stoked.
Not overly interested in the AXS, so it'll prolly go up for sale to swap out a cable actuated GX kit.
that price for the spec, compared to their other specs was a no-brainer
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: The Druid is a very good looking bike and the V2 is very efficient. I think it will be a tough claim to back up saying the Sight is more efficient. To be honest I hope it is but even getting "close" will be good enough for me.
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: I mean, theyre all good bikes nowadays, with so little to quibble about.
I am a big Norco fan, we have the current gen in our fleet, its great, very similar to my V1 Sentinel.
I've been lusting over the Optic for a while now, and that was the bike I was going to get.
Spent some time on a Fluid, did not care for it, so the hope of an alu Optic was fading.

If pushed between the two, the Druid is a better looking bike to me, and the spec/price of the GX FX is pretty hard to beat, and new Optic is going to be more expensive.

The Druid is going to be a good compliment to my Spire, and I'm stoked to get it!
  • 1 0
 @onawalk: yeah they've really brought their high pivot fourbar to a nice looking build. I think we'll see some really nice bikes on this platform. Patiently waiting to take all the wrapping off mine...
  • 1 0
 @Thisguyinkimberley: nice
My Druid has arrived, but I’m out of town. GX FX build, pretty stoked to rip some local trails on it.
  • 97 17
 Please keep the full 27,5" bikes.....not everyone likes to ride as fast as possible....its about playtime, too... Totally sucked that Santa pushed the 5010 to mullet.
  • 16 0
 Don’t stress man, the Airdrop Edit looks proper sorted.
  • 39 27
 maybe i'm alone but i don't notice my 29" bikes being less playful than the 27.5" before it. also couldn't tell the difference going from 26" to 27.5", so maybe i'm just not as sensitive to wheel size
  • 29 2
 +10mm fork travel up front and most mullets ride fine with a 27.5 front wheel.
  • 1 0
 @dirtyburger: and if the man is looking for something more similar to 5010 (travel wise), there's a Filter. Though it seems they sold them out, since only one XL frame is left in the outlet. But the price of that frameset is outstanding, it costs less than a new high-end shock alone. Previous Edit frame is also there for a similar price.
  • 13 3
 @twonsarelli: I ride 29er and 27.5 bikes and there is a very noticeable difference going from one to another. (Rock MTN Maiden - We Are One Arrival 170) (Rocky MTN Element - Trek Remedy)
  • 10 1
 Banshee Rune.
  • 14 1
 Yep love my Scout! You would think transition would be cool enough to keep at least one 27.5 bike around
  • 9 0
 @twonsarelli: steep dirt jump lips feel a lot more dead with 29, not that it's impossible but definitely less steezy for whips and tricks. Went back to 27.5 after 3 years on mullets and I'm loving it way better on my status
  • 3 1
 @twonsarelli: Not alone. I can't really notice at my skill level.
  • 2 0
 @underhillz: I think most brands are going to reduce the amount of models they offer. But if the molds are paid for the longer they produce the same model the more the unit cost decreases so maybe no new scout but they might keep it in the line up
  • 4 0
 @luckynugget: I did exactly the same, now on a Revel Rail 27
  • 1 0
 @Allen82: it's not skill - just sensitivity:
I'm average at best, but I can feel the difference between a 26" and 27" rear wheel, even after correcting the geometry.
  • 17 8
 @AndrewHornor: It 100% has to do with skill lol. Most riders these days can barely lift their front tire off the ground so it’s not a surprise everyone sides with 29” for “going fast and straight on tech”, you will see almost zero free riders or slope riders riding a full 29” set up because they don’t want to ride in a straight line on the ground, they want a shorter wheel base for spinning/flipping and whipping and snappy cornering. Full 29” set ups don’t offer that feeling for riders who are skilled enough to take advantage of 27.5”. I’ve been riding a Remedy 9.7 for five years and work at a Trek dealer and have ridden the new high pivot Slash, feels like a boat purely meant for racing. Not fun. BRING BACK FUN BIKES!
  • 22 8
 @Keyboardkilla: fun bikes died when this sport went to wealthy old men. Old men want motorized super mopeds that do the work for them so they can feel awesome without putting in the time. The 50/01 type kids are getting priced out mostly. As this sport matures it’s turning into a new age golf. Old men killed the 26 wheel. Hang in there and buy a banshee or something similar.
  • 20 6
 I don’t dispute that there’s a difference between 27.5 and 29. I just reject the notion that a 29er is not fun. Or can’t be as fun. Of all the dumb things I read in the comments here, that’s consistently the dumbest.
  • 3 0
 @jubs17: There are probably bigger diffs to the ride between a Maiden vs. Arrival or Element vs. Remedy than just their wheel sizes
  • 6 0
 My scout is the best bike I've ever had. It's just so quick. I hope they keep it as is.
  • 3 3
 @Keyboardkilla: I wonder if you have ever just downsized... I bet that slash on a shorter size could feel almost like the remedy..

They are not that different really...

Youre probably feeling that reach, or something like that....Or maybe you could be set up with very low low speed compression? Seems unliekly since you have had a ton of miles on it and have a shop on hand..

Ive felt the same thing in different ways, currently i just got a 25kG all out enduro Ebike. Its trully a trophy truck... Barely can lift its front it, its a truck.

Still, i need to really get a grip on the handling... Getting used to the geo, seems to be a lot of the issue...

either bike is extremely capable
  • 10 1
 Dear @TransitionBikeCompany

I grew up in the 80s, idolizing guys like Dennis McCoy. I bought my V3 Scout carbon in April 2022. This little blue bike makes me feel like a young man, so I named it "Viagra".

I won't be getting another frame for a while, but when I do, I hope I'll be able to purchase a new carbon Scout, hopefully with dual 27.5" tire compatibility and no cable going through the headset.

Just voicing my opinion as a current TR bike owner. Love what you guys do, and that the bikes are designed by people who can ride. Thanks for your consideration. Cheers, Happy new year!

www.pinkbike.com/forum/listcomments/?threadid=172995&pagenum=80#commentid7215910
  • 1 1
 @ratedgg13:...has a too long seatstay for me.
  • 2 0
 @mtb-thetown: I’ve had many many bikes and the scout is the best bike I’ve had too. Its slightly too small for me and so I started riding something a little bigger and sold the frame after 3 years. Now I ride a mullet, slightly bigger and it is more confident, but so miss the playful days on the scout…. Might have to buy one back this year lol
  • 1 0
 @twonsarelli: I downvoted you because you are right.
  • 2 1
 @TheR: Other peoples fun is more legitimate than your fun, clearly
  • 3 0
 @twonsarelli: to each their own i guess. My last two bikes were full 29. Never again for me. Mullet is the way
  • 3 0
 @KatzT: saw ur whip on vital…mint
  • 5 1
 While I have no interest in 27.5 bike, it is sad to see them fading away. They really do have their place. Hopefully Kaz's prediction of the freeride resurgence is true and we see 27.5 make a comeback.
  • 2 0
 @pargolf8: what bikes are/were you on? My two favorite bikes ever were my gen 1 insurgent (27.5) and my sb5.5 (29), although my current stumpy (29) is probably #3 and trying to make moves!
  • 1 0
 @pargolf8: Thanks, Cheers!
  • 2 1
 Lucky for you there’s a ton of 27.5 5010’s on the used market that are collecting dust…
  • 4 0
 Propain has 27.5 frames and full bikes with 40pc discount atm...
  • 11 0
 this person is correct. Pinkbike: have you ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecies?! when you say things like "what with 27.5" wheels becoming something of a dying breed", you're not helping. the biggest problem is people new to the sport believe you when you say things like that... please stop. Big Grin
  • 8 0
 @slyfink: lol just remember they were calling for the death of the DH bike back in 2019. Freeriding was talked about like some old dude thing that only washed up pros from 05 remember doing. Squamish must be quite the echo chamber all the industry marketing guys move there and think that scene represents the whole sport
  • 2 1
 @russthedog: Picking up my Rail 27 this week for the same reason
  • 3 0
 @twonsarelli: i had a patrol full 27.5 in 18 then sentinel then spire. The sentinel was rockshox and spire fox. I always felt like i was searching for the feeling i had on my patrol. I just got a 27.5 dh and that solidified my decision to keep it mullet from here on out, and im 6’1” 183cm
  • 1 0
 @zoobab2: and basically giving away upgrades to formula components on custom builds…
  • 1 0
 @pargolf8: do you still have the spire? i've been thinking that a sentinel or a spire might be a good replacement for my stumpy evo when the time comes.
  • 1 4
 @slyfink: the majority of consumers don't need PB to tell them 29" is dead, they can figure it out for themselves when I explain the pros and cons of each on the sales floor.
  • 3 0
 @pargolf8: The Patrol set up full 27.5 is pretty killer.
  • 1 0
 thi is true , I have an edit v4 and its mint , will be upgrading to a v5 this year sometime
  • 5 0
 @matyk: agreed theres room for both wheel sizes , being a 27.5 guy it is sad and frustrating to see the options dwindling year on year
  • 3 1
 @dylananderson: thats sick you are probably a racer and trail rider and think that's the only type of bike riding, most likely having your opinions confirmed by all the non-riders coming in to buy their first mtb. A big round of applause to the racer who believes 27.5 is dead! don't worry you don't have to hit the jumps
  • 2 0
 @rich-2000: get them before they're gone! I have a Spire and a Scout, and although I like the spire for park and big mountain enduro races, for regular trail rides the Scout can't be beat.

I actually did a two day race with one day xc and the second day enduro, both on the scout, and got the overall win in my category.
  • 1 0
 @mtb-thetown: They are gone in the UK already. No large scouts in stock for over a year now. Some pretty good used deals though as no one wants 27.5 apart from us lol
  • 1 0
 @rich-2000: there's a few scout framesets still about in the UK not many though. My scout got stolen and couldn't find another one at the time so replaced it with an airdrop edit as it has virtually identical geometry
  • 53 4
 I think the reality is that “updated” will mean “old stock with new paint job”
  • 8 0
 fair enough (the improvements these days are getting less and less significant), so long as the price is reduced. Sometimes change for the sake of change isn't always better.
  • 6 1
 Updates:
. UDH mech hanger
. downtube storage compartment
. headset routing
  • 9 1
 @vinay: I suspect 150mm axles comeback coming, 148 has been around for too long.

2 mm would do heaps
  • 17 1
 @Roost66: better stiffness AND compliance!
  • 2 1
 @VtVolk: exactly!!!!
  • 3 0
 I'm personally fine with that, though. Why? Because I really want a Transition Smuggler, but have zero interest in their current hipster pink or light shit-brown offerings.
  • 42 3
 Many of the bikes mentioned in this article have already been updated, but due to a gluton of inventory, have been sitting in warehouses collecting dust. Without giving any specifics, one of these companies is going HP across their entire line. PB is sitting on embargos and NDA's, so their predictions are a bit coy and broad, but they know exactly what is happening with many of the mentioned bikes. Some of their "predictions" seem to intentionally throw us off the scent...
  • 22 0
 What are you sitting on that doesn’t allow you to name who is doing this?
  • 8 0
 Not only are they going HP across the board, but on "other" websites, there are already screenshots of the new models with their high pivots. With reported "very soon" impending launches.
  • 4 2
 True. Pictures of the enduro, the optic, sight were posted already, the new ransom was on trails and raced already. a release date will be in spring Talking about spring, rocky has some updated models up their sleeve as well. Enduro will get another year and the stumpi will be due 24.
  • 4 0
 @cro-magnon: Care to share any links for those of us who haven't seen them yet?
  • 3 0
 @big-red: the HP Optic and Sight have been just about to release for like a year now, heres the link you requested www.vitalmtb.com/forums/The-Hub,2/2020-MTB-Tech-rumors-and-innovation,10797?page=502
  • 3 0
 @birdsandtrees: Ibis for sure.
  • 4 0
 @mtmc99:

Yeah, I thought it was pretty well known "code" that the "other" website is either vitalmtb or pinkbike, depending on which site you're on (each referring to each other).

I lurk the tech rumors thread, as I find it quite interesting, and usually pretty accurate/informative.
  • 2 0
 This is very true. We are a Trek dealer and got in some lower end Trek bikes that had a build date of over a 1 1/2 years ago. Trek had to hold on them to get rid of the model that the new bike was replacing.
  • 7 1
 I was talking to someone on the lift this fall that worked for a bike company I won’t name and he told me they are completely skipping the 24 model year because they still have so much 22/23 inventory to sell.
  • 2 0
 I know a car company with a 100mpg carburetor that's been developed. Facts/links, please, or it is just speculation, rumour, and hypothesis.
  • 2 2
 @mtmc99: oh ok, so Norco keeps copying Trek Big Grin
  • 44 4
 Transition Spur. Don't screw it up Transition. The Gen 1 Spur is a pretty cool bike...
  • 5 5
 Yeah, all it needs is a UDH, and maybe some more rear end traction out of the suspension, which probably isn't possible with the flex stays.
  • 12 2
 @cpobanz: and a size XXL @transitionbikes
  • 2 0
 @cpobanz: surprised this comment was so polarizing. Seems mild-mannered enough to me.
  • 5 0
 I found quite a jump in sizes between the m and large. Be cool if they introduced another size
  • 2 0
 @pmhobson: Is there even a downside to that standard? I'd personally probably not install a T-type drivetrain simply as for me gear shifting isn't worth that much money, but as long as it is compatible with all rearmechs (except for pre-2008 Saint and Hone) it wouldn't bother me either.
  • 5 0
 @bigbrett: username checks out
  • 1 0
 @vinay: yeah. I’m with you on that.
  • 1 0
 @cpobanz:
It doesn’t need:

Loam cupboard with no cupboard door
Headset routing
IS headset

Which is why I didn’t buy a smuggler
  • 1 0
 I have spur and only thing that would make me little envious is inframe storage. Otherwise i dont care about new bikes since i bought it
  • 3 0
 @mironfs: udh is amazing. Not for T-type compatibility but the fact you can buy a mech hanger anywhere. I was in a remote village in italy with a broken mech hanger and managed to get one! Would have never got a bespoke one…
  • 1 0
 @rich-2000: yeah i understand its great but not something i would cry over on my not new bike. on new frame of course. but when i bought mine i also bought spare hanger so im safe.
  • 29 2
 Am I the only one who hasn't noticed Ibises getting less curvy and imo less ugly?
  • 11 4
 I dunno, the Ripmo is not a good looking bike to my eye
  • 29 0
 IMHO the new HD6 is a pretty nice looking ride.
  • 3 0
 @Davec85: As a Ripmo owner I agree. I like how it rides but the curved top tube is an abomination.
  • 2 1
 I was happily surprised that the Ripmo AF looks better in person than in pictures.
  • 3 1
 @woofer2609: no, it looks even worse
  • 5 0
 @valrock: I said it looks better, not great. But apparently it has a great personality and tends to look better after a few beers.
  • 29 1
 Only interested in those that will be discounted.
  • 1 0
 Got my new Izzo during the Black Friday sale. The price made it so worth getting the outgoing model
  • 31 4
 27.5” ISN’T DEAD!!!!!
  • 26 0
 Kona is so lifeless that it's not even mentioned
  • 1 0
 I think the Kona Hei Hei was mentioned on last years but it still wasn’t updated and not mentioned on here either…PB might know something we don’t yet.
  • 11 0
 After they clear everything out with their 2-for-1 sale, my guess is they’re either going to roll out a new lineup or close up shop. They haven’t had anything new since 2020.
  • 2 0
 Bold new colourways!
  • 5 0
 @alex-bowen: I really hope if they do it it won't be NX with rockshox deluxe and g2's for $6k.
  • 2 1
 @alex-bowen: The original 153 might be the best bike I’ve ever ridden.
  • 1 0
 @TheR: I considered getting a 2023 153 to replace my 2015, but after reading the PB review and contacting Quinney, it seems that the Process has the same problem with the new model in that its seat tube angle is too slack, and it relies on weighting the front end to avoid the front wheel lifting off the ground when climbing. An excellent bike, but could use more refinement for an upright riding position, imho.
  • 3 0
 @woofer2609: Sorry— to be clearer, I have the original 153 29er from 2019. I have experienced some front wheel wandering on really steep, and technical climbs, but nothing too bad or radical compared to anything else I’ve ridden. In fact, it climbs better and more efficiently overall than the DW-Link bike it replaced (which, granted was four years older).

It’s just a fun, playful bike everywhere else. Very easy to get used to an confidence inspiring. That said, it’s time for some refinements and updates. Hope they get their stuff together and put out something new.
  • 2 0
 @Dogl0rd: Biggest reason when I bought my Fuel Ex 8 a couple years ago I didn't even consider the 134. Same price as the Trek but with a much worse spec list.
  • 25 0
 I didn't see the Grim Donut up there, are we saying it's ready to ship?
  • 15 0
 I bet the new Ripmo will get the 'straight top tube' treatment, like the HD6.
  • 11 0
 That's all that bike needs! I can't tell you how much I love riding my current Ripmo, but I can't overstate how much I hate looking at that cursed top tube. Straighten out that top tube, call it V3 and they're done. Wouldn't surprise me if they changed the yoke in front of the seat tube to something more like the HD 6.
  • 1 0
 @andelinc: Meh, it looks fine, IMO. Will an update à la the HD6 look better? Yes, and that's what I'm hoping for this year to replace my V1.
  • 12 0
 Every enduro bike on this list needs more seat tube insertion depth, combined with shorter seat tube lengths. I hope at least one of these manufacturers can make an XL bike with a 430-440mm seat tube that’ll take a slammed 240mm dropper.
  • 14 1
 If you can't sell all the shit in the warehouse , why in the hell would you make new models . Nothing going to happen in 24 except a few changes .
  • 4 0
 probably because the designed and ordered the new models before they realized they had way to many of the old ones
  • 1 0
 Because if you dont innovate it's a race to the bottom on price. So who can afford to discount most
  • 2 0
 @briain: „Innovate“: Snack stash, headset cable routing, maybe 1cm less seat tube.
  • 1 0
 I’m sure the Enduro teams of all these brands will request updates for this season!
(Sorry, I’ll see myself out.)
  • 13 1
 somehow I don't see Nukeproof doing any updates to their bikes until they have positive update on the balance sheet.
  • 1 0
 £10 million profit in the last couple of months of this year. Sure it was posted here. Depends what the administrators have done in the background is it business as usual or are they just clearing stock
  • 2 0
 Hell I wouldn't be surprised to see a number of these companies not around long enough to release and update.
  • 1 0
 @briain: It's January; what do you mean by "£10 million profit in the last couple of months of this year"? Are you working with a Mayan calendar?
  • 1 0
 @woofer2609: Thought most people would have figured it out in 2023. But your the best kind of correct Technically correct Wink
  • 14 0
 Revel everything
  • 2 2
 a V2 Rascal has to be ins tore for 2024
  • 4 1
 Revel’s slack seat tube angles are pretty much the only thing I would change. I love my Revel (and think it climbs just fine despite the relatively slack seat tube angle) but it really seems like company management believes mtb geometry peaked in 2017. I’m not saying that facetiously either. When the Rail 27.5 and Rascal were first released in 2019, the geo of both bikes was already a little dated compared to most of the other bikes being released at the time. By the time Revel released the Rail 29, it was no secret that the market was trending towards steep tube seat angles but they still kept it slack.

Given the company’s small size, the amount of $ it takes to update a bike, and the current state of the bike industry, I would be really surprised to see any updates from them in the next 12-24 months.
  • 2 1
 @mandi303: if nothing else the bikes still rip and also keep their value.
  • 1 0
 @mandi303: I've got a ranger and absolutely love it with a 130mm fork, but wouldn't mind a steeper STA. I am also considering swapping my parts to a used Rascal frame, but the even slacker STA and extra squish kind of scares me. If it were steeper, I'd have no problem pulling the trigger on the frame.
  • 1 1
 @mandi303: Agreed. I'm interested in their bikes, but won't touch them with those ridiculous STA from 2018.
  • 3 0
 I know they’d never do it but I just want to be able to buy an updated rear triangle for my Rascal for UDH.
  • 2 0
 UDH and a steeper STA on my Rascal would be glorious.
  • 3 1
 @mandi303: not sure what you are talking about. Virtual STA ( or Effective STA) on Rascal is sweet 75 degrees. Who cares about numbers if bike climbs like Trek Supercaliber, and descends like Spesh enduro. Best bike I've ever had
  • 3 0
 @valrock: I’m 6’2” on an XL and it would be nice if I didn’t have to slam my saddle all the way forward, but I agree it’s the best bike I’ve ever owned as well.
  • 1 0
 @mandi303: I wish I could own a custom Ti bike with CBF Big Grin But with some fitting tweaking, my Rascal fits pretty well, I didn't even need to buy anything, just use the adjustability range of already existing components.

I have a friend who is in only XL range... you long people actually got it pretty bad, no matter the brand. My biggest issue is do I go M or L, so I live on an easy mode Big Grin
  • 1 0
 @jpmccrash: ..Revel is doing nothing for updated models
  • 12 0
 Knolly is probably going to update all of their bikes to follow the Endorphin. That straight top tube be lookin sexy
  • 10 0
 Knolly bikes are so ugly I am starting to like them
  • 1 0
 @upundu: oh lord they are ugly
  • 10 1
 That 2019 Scott Ransom is still such a damn good bike, whatever the haters say. Ditch the shock lockout (add a coil) Slam the seat forward and an angleset and the geometry is on par with most new bikes. I keep getting the itch to get something newer but always come back to "but why?"
  • 5 0
 It’s the same for most bikes. There is precious little reason for updating by the manufacturer, never mind replacing by the customer.
Hell, a model year 2017 Banshee prime or Raaw Madonna with modern components would be a totally competitive bike in its class.
  • 3 0
 I find my 2019 Ransom to be just about perfect as well other than I have issues keeping the main bearings from creaking. Been using retainer compound now and seem to get about 4 months before the cricks start up again. I have a theory that the BB/seat tube area acoustically amplifies any problems down there. Also BB86 sucks.
But with Avy Bomber CR it rides like mint for epic or enduro.
  • 11 0
 I predict BIG changes for most of these bikes this year, featuring huge leaps like new paint colours, and UDH compatibility.
  • 8 0
 "If it ain't broke". How much longer and slacker can bikes get? The geo on some of these bike look to be pretty spot on. That's probably why they haven't changed. You can only slacken a front end so much until it becomes a plow.
  • 2 0
 We're going back to early 2000's/ road bike territory where looks change but geo doesn't move much. It'll be fractions of a degree here or there, more focus on lighter weight again, and x% stiffer this, improved kinematics that.
  • 7 0
 The state of the bike industry in two sentences:
"The Stumpjumper EVO is also getting a little long in the tooth, having not seen an update since 2020. While time is marching on, we can't really identify any obvious revisions that this one might benefit from."

Or: It works just right, but update it just for the sake of updating.
  • 5 0
 Stumpy EVO, Sentinel, Sight... lots of goldilocks bikes that just work in this list. But yeah, if you squint at the numbers they are (almost) four years old!
  • 7 1
 This is something I don’t hear people talking about with regard to what’s happening in the bike industry. It’s a perfect storm situation, demand spiked during the pandemic, bike companies way over forecasted and at the same time bikes got really damn good around 2019-2020. Even as an avid mountain biker there really hasn’t been a ton of meaningful innovation, the stumpy evo
Is a great example, super adjustable, solid geo, durable, a bike you could truly own for 5-7 years and still not be behind the times.
  • 3 0
 @bbachmei: Great point.
They are clutching at straws if all they can push is UDH - so we can pay a fortune to run Sram's latest leccy gears.
Looking at my MTBs now, I could see myself keeping them for the foreseeable future.
  • 1 0
 Biggest update I see for the stumpy evo is a straighter seat tube for more dropper post insertion. Especially the smaller sizes
  • 13 6
 If the scout is dropped from the lineup what bike will I keep racked on my 2024 Toyota Tacoma TRD Pro Offroad DoubleCab 4x4 Trail Special Edition to let everyone in my apartment's car park know that I ride?
  • 1 0
 You running a trek fuel strapped to the back of your subi?
  • 10 1
 How many specialized Enduros cracked at the head tube? I've seen 6, they need an update on that at least Frown
  • 3 2
 They did. In like 2021.
  • 2 0
 Don't forget all the broken rt on the endro .. specialized is truly a POS company !
  • 6 0
 Also...Specialized status...which will be an important update for the value market. Lots of chat in bike shops and forums of the "status 170" update coming soon and as such no new orders on current model. Currently selling off last of current stock.
  • 2 0
 oh man WOULD LOVEeeee this. i love my 160, built up with cool and 170 fork its so so so good. not bad for full alloy at 36.5 either with coil. perfect compliment forsprightly trail bike
  • 1 0
 Any major changes besides travel? Can't imagine it getting any longer or slacker
  • 1 0
 @ashmtb85: unknown as yet. Hopefully longer chain stays on larger sizes. There's room to tweek BB height and seat angle too.
  • 1 0
 @ashmtb85: there is some chat about it being triple crown rated though so they might be leaning in to the park rat market
  • 1 0
 @tajtigabor: I think that's the demo or new enduro.
  • 1 0
 @ashmtb85: the bike that he pours the water on looks like a status, but it is not the old 160 but the new 170. There are pretty obvious differences...Smile
  • 1 0
 A friend of mine works for Specialized Germany. When I asked him about the next-gen Status, he told me that the release date isn't set in stone yet but will probably be in late 2024.
  • 7 1
 I really don't think super boost spacing is going anywhere on any Pivot 29er model except their Mach 4sl, just updated geometry on the Switchblade and improved kinematics on its dw link suspension. The ibis Ripmo not much room for changes in geometry, just a big improvement on aesthetics and linkage design as their HD6.. Those 2 are my top contenders for my next midtravel trail bike.
  • 4 2
 If they made the Switchblade frame a tick lighter and 148 boost where I could build it up with lightweight wheels and tires around 28lbs.....and it came in a nice color (Blue, Red, Burnt Orange) I'd be here for it!
  • 3 1
 @yupstate: I actually like the new metallic blue that my new pivot came in. The new colours look similar to the old ones at first glance, but they are quite vibrant and much higher quality than anything else in the bike shop. And yes, it needs a diet, so lighter cranks and wheels are on the to do list.
  • 2 2
 Would love to see the switchblade go boost, a bigger flip chip that does better to preserve the geometry running mullet. Maybe a dual position rear shock mount for changes to kinematics.

I already added a -1 angleset on mine putting at the trail bike norm of 65. It'll be interesting to see what geo they decide on as Pivot I would say is typically more reserved in that category (which I like).
  • 1 0
 @strongcyclisttype: I'm all for that Blue color as long as the bike has something that makes it look different from the current model. I don't want to pay a billion $ for my new Pivot to have it look "old" :-) But yes, that's a nice Blue.
  • 1 0
 @jasbushey: ..nope not happening....product already made.
  • 1 0
 @yupstate: ...same old , same old ..will be a huge letdown.
  • 1 0
 Still superboost 157 ..going nowhere.
  • 1 0
 @Azrocktester: So what is the revised bike going to be like?
29 only?
157
More travel?
just a firebird with less travel?
  • 7 0
 I don't see pivot giving up on superboost, but its wishful thinking. It'd be nice if they were boost with longer stays, and give us the option to buy a frameset please.
  • 9 0
 I want to see someone eat a hat.
  • 7 0
 I've seen the new Ransom (SR Scott Enduro). Probably for 2025 has they have not made announcement yet.

Also agree with the "keep some full 27,5" bikes" ^^
  • 8 0
 My 4year old Nicolai g16 is still up to date and not seein an overhaul
  • 1 0
 G16 was replaced by the G1 years ago. I own a g16 as well and not looking for an upgrade either. I was looking at a G1 but frame shape makes it so you can't fit a waterbottle in front of the shock mount in the front triangle. My XXL g16 fits a normal sized bottle there was a specialized side load cage.
  • 5 0
 The Devinci Troy is a sleeper in the current form. One of my all time favorite do all bikes. Will be interesting to see how they can improve on a bike that climbs and descends so well.
  • 2 0
 Agreed... my favorite FS bike period. I think I'm going to buy another Troy frame if I can find a ghost purple in good shape.

The Gen 6 Trek Fuel EX is a slightly lighter weight frame that is *very* close to the Devinci Troy is suspension design and geo... and the Fuel EX won a bunch of bike of year awards, right?. I think no one really reviewed the Troy seriously or the magic of this frame would be more widely known. I ran my Troy with a coil and Nobl TR41's... so good. Never should of sold it. The Django is similarly pretty awesome I have heard... the guy i sold my Troy to raced enduro's on a Django and bought my Troy to handle rowdier courses better.
  • 7 0
 If they get rid of the loam swimming pool on my Sentinel, where will my ants have pool parties?
  • 1 1
 And YT tues
  • 6 0
 Surprised to see no mention of the Rocky Mountain Altitude/Instinct, which was last updated in 2021. There’s a bunch of pictures floating around of a revised model.
  • 10 3
 I'd like to see a new Knolly Warden
  • 5 0
 They're releasing the new Chilcotin in February, and I believe more updates to models throughout the year. I can't imagine they'd ever go away from the Warden. It's too good and fun at what it does.
  • 1 2
 If it's confirmed to be getting updated, does it belong on a list of bike that "could be updated"?
  • 1 0
 @Jvhowube: Does the Lapierre that has been seen racing in the EDR belong on this list?
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 @gnarnaimo: Probably not Smile or the article needs a different title!
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 Nope, it's the new Rocky Mountain Embargo. Look at the picture in your link. But from the looks of it, the geo is pretty steep.
  • 3 0
 On the Scott website they explain their new Nude Float X rear shock, for gravity oriented bikes. Yet when you click on "bikes with this shock", they don't list any. All the Geniuses have the Nude 5T, which is like a DPS with remotes...
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 Every Genius ST comes with the float X since 2023.
  • 4 0
 there you go - 2.37 new Marin Alpine Trail www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2eo15CUUdw&t=17s
hoping for +5mm chainstay and reach and 10mm more travel and it will be my next bike
  • 2 0
 I have a feeling you are on the right track. Great job finding that video with an en catalogued Marin bike. I suspect that some time in April you'll be placing an order at your Marin dealer.
  • 2 0
 That white frame is the Marin Quake and will
be their new park/DH frame.
  • 10 4
 soooo because they're not high pivot they need an update?
  • 7 1
 The Optic will be HP, you heard it here NOT first
  • 1 0
 ??? A 125mm HP. Is that a joke?
  • 1 0
 @mybaben: Deviates lowlander concept is truly a thing of beauty. My guess the theory is climbing traction but they do tend to be substantially heavier
  • 1 0
 @mybaben: Not at all. See the Forbidden Druid. They are in direct competition with that frame. I will never ride a HP short travel, I pedal too much. Local Norco shop has told me that’s the plan as well.
  • 1 0
 @slayersxc17: I'm not an "engineer" or a "dentist", or even a "BMXer", but that seems very weird to me.... Wink
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 @briain: Shouldn't the small rear travel already climb great? Why go HP? I think HP is more the down..., but still with such small travel seems weird.
  • 1 0
 @mybaben: I find my 180 enduro bike has more traction on tech climbs because the wheel just tracks the ground. So I assume a short travel HP is trying to get that feeling. But whether you can get around the additional drag (real or perceived) and make the frame weight comparable is a whole other question
  • 3 0
 @mybaben: I totally agree. Maybe they are upping the travel at bit. Forbidden is getting away with it at only 130. I won’t be jumping ship for a HP optic though.
  • 1 0
 I've seen it.
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 @mcleodpulaski: found some good reads on the other website, but no pics yet
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 @slayersxc17: The first 5 minutes into riding the Range when they released it, I wanted a short travel version of it. Will buy the Optic if it as good as I am told it is.
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 @mcleodpulaski: are they upping the travel? My current Optic gets me all over my neck of the woods. It sure if I would benefit with HP and probably a little more weight
  • 1 0
 @slayersxc17: Based on how the Range feels, it will feel like they are upping the travel without having upped the travel, the Range feels practically bottomless. That said, I do think it is a 130mm bike now, though I am not sure. I was told that Norco spent more money developing this bike than any other bike they've ever made so that tells me they believe in it. If it stays spritely with a more bottomless feel, it could be a really great "Down Country" bike and if you can firm up the shock with a switch, you may have two good bikes. I say may because you may also only have one or the other or both options are pretty mid. I know they started developing the bike 4 years ago and I just thought it would never happen so I am excited to see it come to life, I just hope it is as good as I think it will be.
  • 3 0
 Don't hold your breath for a new Enduro until the old stock is sold.

The new Levo SL is super good looking though and it would be great to see a new Stumpy EVO without that whack looking side brace ( IMHO)
  • 5 2
 Holy f*ck the side brace has got to go. It’s got to be up there with the most hideous bike designs ever released. I have the Evo and a Levo. Everyday I’m in my garage and I cringe at that damn asymmetrical brace. I bought them because they rode well and didn’t put a lot of thought into “is this the best looking bike out there?” But years later I can’t stand the side brace. I reckon since they proved on the Levo SL they can eliminate the side brace that future Evo’s may not have it. Specialized, get rid of the side brace.
  • 2 0
 Reading a few of the comments, it’s good to see that I’m not the only one who would mourn the fading out of full 27.5” wheeled bikes.
I’m on the shorter side, so bike sizing and fit is a big issue. While still riding a 2020 Transition Patrol, in full 27.5”, which I must add, is an incredibly good bike, if I were looking for a new ride, my options are becoming more limited.
  • 2 1
 Everyone talks about the playfulness of 27.5 vs 29 which I also agree with. But also what about us short kings? Hey that's great you love your 29er but your also 6'+. Guess what I'm not and I hate it.
  • 1 0
 @yoimaninja: 5'6" here and love full 29ers. Even have a 29+ bike that I ride everywhere!
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 @schu2470: Same height. Had a 29er hardtail once and it was noticeable different. Was especially noticeable with how it cornered in tight sections and berms. Different strokes for different folks.
  • 2 0
 Huh, I'd just assumed that Norco's previous light trail bike combination of the Fluid for aluminum and Optic for CF had been rolled into the Fluid model name with the "Optic" badge being phases out.
  • 2 0
 Fluid will stay as is in both carbon and ALU frame options, optic will have a high pivot.
  • 6 0
 It’s not 2020 anymore?
  • 5 0
 A 27.5 demo would be siiick
  • 9 1
 27.5 everything
  • 3 2
 What's stopping you? 27.5 front wheel and an extended lower headset cup will get you there.
  • 4 1
 @blensen: buying a bike and then having to buy more shit
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 @luckynugget: frame only option
  • 5 0
 Rootin for the izzo and following
  • 1 0
 I picked up a Core 3 Izzo recently, and am loving it. That being said, I do wish the shock mount didn’t catch mud and dirt like a cup, that it had in frame storage, better bb and downtube protection, and somehow kept the remote lockouts from earlier years.
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 RE: Nukeproof Mega, it seems very unlikely that the 297 (mullet) wasn't designed along side the 29" & 27.5" version, there isn't really any change to the geometry with the mullet version of the bike, and a slight bump in travel. This is the same approach taken by Santa Cruz with the New Nomad which (afaik) uses the front triangle from the Megatower. Would you suggest that SC should develop a new bike because the Current nomad uses a rear triangle designed to fit the front triangle from a 29" bike ? I think SC & Nukeproof are using the same playbook when developing bikes, offset the cost of tooling & complexity of SKU's by developing front triangles (and in Nukeproof's case rear triangles ) which can be used to create several bikes. Same story for the Giga from Nukeproof.
  • 1 0
 I’m so ready to see the new straight top tube versions of the Ripmo and Ripley.

Transition Spur dates back to 2019 - so 5 years old

Stumpjumper and Stumpy Evo are 4 years old

_

Seems like a lot of brands are too busy working on e-bikes these days to refresh at the rates they once did.

On the flip side, bikes just aren’t changing at the rate they did 5-10 years ago now that geometry and fit are so dialed (as well as kinematics and suspension tech)
  • 2 0
 Does the spur need updates? It’s pretty dialed honestly
  • 2 0
 @mariomtblt: none of those bikes “need” to be updated.
  • 2 1
 I currently own a Norco Optic, and would be keen for an update. The reach on a medium is a bit short, but it's a huge jump to the large. Would love a 465mm reach as the new "medium." I also don't get very excited about any new bikes these days, other then what REEB has to offer.
  • 1 0
 As someone who is on the bottom end of a size medium upping the reach to 465mm would make it almost unridable and the smalls too short. More brands need to do what Trek does and include a M/L size that fits in the 465mm/475mm slot if they're going to continue upping reach numbers for the larger sizes.
  • 2 0
 With the state the bike industry is in I wonder if most companies will just wait until bikes start selling again. Why would they invest in new molds and designs if there currently isn't a market for them
  • 1 0
 Anything mass-produced coming out this year would have already been designed last year. Anything with a spring release date is probably on a ship or about to be. My take is those investments were either miscalculations not caught until too late, or done in hopes that a new model would boost consumer interest.
  • 2 0
 Ordered a 2020 Sentinel the day it came out and have rode it all over North America. It’s an amazing do-it-all machine. If it had a flip chip and UDH compatibility in the next iteration it would be !
  • 4 0
 I just built up a Stumpjumper EVO and couldn't care lees about a new color and small tweaks. I love this bike.
  • 3 0
 Stop telling the bike industry that 27.5 is dead! Some of us still really like it! And like that Norco and transition make sick playful bikes for us to enjoy!
  • 1 0
 I have been owning a yt izzo for a few years now and can’t see no updates in the geo section. I guess adding a framestorage thingy, routing cables trough some headset bearings and adding udh to the whole range is a option but… must it all get so complicated tho?
Would be cool to see some bike models have a strong 5-6 years run before the new version.
  • 1 0
 Specialized: New Stumpy and Epic to be released in 2024. No more Stumpy Evo, but the "regular" Stumpy to assume it's place in the line-up. The Epic to go full "downcountry" since they now have a dedicated race bike with the Epic Worldcup. Alloy version of the Epic planned. Apparently no new Enduro or Demo in 2024. Updated Status "sometime soon".

Norco: New Optic and Sight to be released in February. Sight first. Both to go high-pivot and sharing the same front triangle with modular shock mounts. Both carbon only. No more 27.5" Sight, but mixed wheel compatible.

Scott: New Ransom to be released on February 1st, 4pm. Long-travel enduro with 170mm of true six-bar suspension. Headset routing only, shock hidden within frame. Carbon only, no alloy version. Very steep price tag.

Marin: New long travel rig from Marin apparently in 2024. Supposed to pull double duty as enduro and freeride bike. Dual-crown compatible and "bike park rated".
  • 6 2
 Can't update molds if you're under chapter 11.
  • 2 0
 Possibly larger volume tires are more popular in desert areas, and for that reason Pivot, a Phoenix-based company, may keep Superboost for its next generation.
  • 6 2
 YT Decoy should definitely need to be on that list.
  • 3 1
 And YT tues
  • 2 0
 Specialized has a bike named Enduro, but at Enduro world series races with the Stumpjumper...
Will the new Enduro be more Stumpy?
  • 1 0
 Specialized races with both. The smoother, less technical, or slower tracks get the evo. The enduro is used elsewhere. Both are great bikes depending on what you ride for terrain. The only things I'd change on my enduro is to allow for more dropper post length and add some stack height. The only thing I'd change on the Evo is the side strut I sometimes rub. Bikes are so good these days...
  • 3 0
 Pinkbike missed the opportunity to sneak an ebike in there. The comment section would be exploding!
  • 4 0
 Like a cheap Chinese battery!
  • 3 0
 Meh. Buncha BS. My old bike is plenty good enough to skid down all the trails.
  • 3 0
 The bike industry seems to be broke, I would be surprised if the have the cash to front new stuff but I could be wrong.
  • 4 0
 Here's the thing though... Anything that's coming out in 2024 and early 2025 is essentially already done. It's late 2025 and 2026 where you're going to start seeing the two main approaches to the downturn.

You'll have companies that just try to ride it out. Make minor moves. Paint. Suspension packages and component changes. Etc.

And you'll have companies that spend the down turn on R&D. They accept that they're still making money it's just not 2020-2022 money. They'll reinvest what they have in updates and improvements. And when the economy picks up and the industry finishes pushing all the warehouse backstock out, they'll be ready to capitalize on it.

Perfect example is Shimano vs SRAM when Covid hit. Or Ford when the economy tanked and they came out the otherside with better vehicles than they'd had in a long long time.

But yeah... new stuff isn't the issue. It's getting rid of everything that's sitting in warehouses that got overproduced in 2023.
  • 2 0
 @onemanarmy: Good points dude.
  • 2 0
 Hopefully trek updates the slash back to the previous slash with a few tweaks..such a good bike .. absolutely ruined it with gen6.
  • 1 0
 After the praise of the Ibis HD6 and its straight top tube I wonder if we will see that "technology" roll over to the Ripmo? Curved top tubes are for losers! JK I love my Ripmo
  • 2 0
 I really wish more brands would shrink their downtube logos or get rid of them entirely to an Acronym instead. Some of them just ruin the aesthetics of the bike entirely.
  • 1 0
 Alloy Sentinel doesn’t have any drainage issues, just goes to show you can’t beat metal bikes. I’ve ordered the cascade components linkage, super excited to try out the long travel Sentinel.
  • 1 0
 I’ve got a ransom and had it 4 years and still have no desire to get a new bike, it is a brilliant climber and amazing downhill, I gave it a freshen up with a new paint scheme instead of buying another new bike
  • 4 1
 What about the dreadnought?
  • 1 0
 What I heard from a B.C friend: End of 2024 / early 2025
  • 1 0
 @trelleder: I suspect sooner than that. Blister review's podcast recently interviewed the founder of Forbidden and it sounds like the new version is just around the corner. They only have one version of the current dreadnought for sale and it's 40% off.
  • 1 0
 I was just going to say...forbidden just blew out their remaining Dreadnoughts 50% off. V2 will surely drop for the upcoming riding season and it will undoubtedly be lit!
  • 3 0
 I can't see me changing my bikes anytime soon
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 It's a losing battle right now. If you spent money on a bike during 2021/2022 and early 2023 you're stuck with that bike unless you're willing to lose 70% of your investment. New stuff is too easy to get and too cheap right now. So either sell at a loss or wait.

Anyone that didn't and is ready to buy right now is stoked. end of 2023 and through most of 2024 are going to be the best deal the industry has seen in a long long time and will likely see for a long time after. By late 2024/mid 2025 things will be well on their way to normalizing.
  • 3 1
 @onemanarmy: the only type of bike I would like right now would be a 180/190 27.5 ebike. But times are tight so can't see it happening.
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 @onemanarmy: Depends how you view things. I think viewing bikes as some form of investment with a resale is a mistake as it has allowed prices to go crazy. Its a tool/ toy that should be bought cash not with any credit and only replaced when you break it or something tangibly better comes along
  • 2 0
 @briain: If you're viewing bikes as an investment you're a crazy person. I think it's mainly and offset the expense thing...

Example... buy a bike for $7500. 2 years later you sell it for $5k. Now you only need $2500 to get a new one. But when used bikes dips harder than new bikes that are already dipping hard... now you're like... Hey I spent $7500. Sell it for $3k. New bike is $6500. You're out $3500.

Just an example.

But I do see where you're heads at. It's definitely easier to digest loss when it's a toy... like my snowboards. I stopped selling them. They just go on the wall. At some point maybe I'll sell a few but it'll be for beer money.
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 @onemanarmy: Yeah just have known people who worry about getting bikes super mucky and chipping paint because of the cost. To me, I just wouldn't own a bike that I couldn't afford to take a total loss on. Maybe a privileged position but I don't think a 10k bike is 5 times better than a 2k bike
  • 1 0
 I doubt many of these bike will get updated, with what’s going on in the current industry. R&D costs money and there is a lot of stock that needs shifting first.
  • 1 1
 Agreed - and a lot of the R&D money is going to e-bikes which is a faster growing market (and faster evolving too).
  • 1 0
 Would love to know what PB's record is on such predictions. Not the details suggested, but out of those suggested, which did get updated the next calendar year.
  • 2 0
 I don't need any refreshes; I need Allied to make a 140/140 trail bike at 27lbs.
  • 2 0
 A trail bike is definitely in the works from what I hear. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
  • 1 4
 ping ponging down a trail lol I straight up don’t like light bikes
  • 2 0
 @mariomtblt: Well you are in luck! Most bikes these days are heavy AF! But yea, to each their own depending on your goals. I agree heavier bike, more suspension = more comfort; but to the average rider everyone I see is "faster" on their light, short-travel bike.
  • 2 0
 @yupstate: would you consider a reeb SST as "light"? cuz to me thats my lightweight bike haha, with a pike and a deluxe
  • 1 0
 @mariomtblt: Light-ish! I suppose it depends what it weights and a pound or two one way or another isn't the big difference. But a 25lb bike vs. a 34lb bike is huge. It's when I see folks I know on rides where we are usually averaging 5-6mph on varied terrain with no big ups/downs but they take their 170mm Enduro race bike for that ride because the terrain has lots of rocks. More comfort? Yes. Are they actually able to get from start to finish faster? Heck no.
  • 3 1
 Which brands listed will swallow their pride and switch from pressfit BB’s to threaded?
  • 2 2
 Oh man, hopefully all of them! My nee bike has it and I am heavy. It is going to creak. I know it.
  • 2 0
 The Canyon Spectral is due an update too - let's hope they go nowhere near internal headset routing.
  • 1 0
 If Nuke updated their Reactor 290 I would be ALL OVER IT!!!!! Probably just a dream now with the finance problems these days. Frown
  • 3 0
 New Ripmo has been sitting in a shipping container for months now.
  • 1 0
 id love to see a new Offering V3, 3 years on the V2 and LOVED it every single ride, but curious to see what they do with it, and some bright colors maybe
  • 1 0
 ....It's now well over four years since Specialized updated the Enduro........ omg!! realy?? ;-) but it's still ripin the hardes stuff
  • 4 2
 I hope Rocky Mountain update the Element to be 100/100mm again. or better, 90/120mm.
  • 1 0
 plz don't change the Element's travel or geo numbers. It's fantastic.
  • 1 0
 @tlilly89: I have the '12 Element and it's indeed fantastic. I ride with a 120mm fork. I don't need/want 120mm of rear wheel travel so I'm still holding out on a new bike. Rocky don't have to update the Element, they could introduce a new model below it with 90/120mm travel.
  • 2 0
 Going out on a big limb predicting new NORCO bikes as release dates are posted on their website!
  • 2 0
 I've a 2019 SJ Evo and I love it but i'll be eagerly awaiting the release of a new one
  • 1 0
 I think the bikes to look at are the brands that "aren't" on this list! Brands that "always" push the limits of invention & innovation.
  • 2 0
 Mondraker Foxy Aluminium and Superfoxy both aluminum and carbon versions.
  • 2 0
 A Sentinel with a mullet chip and chain stay chip would be sick.
  • 3 0
 Add 5mm to the reach and subtract 5mm from the chainstay on the size medium and I'd be a happy camper.

Maybe some internal frame storage?
  • 3 1
 @ridedigrepeat: Frame storage would be a great addition
  • 3 0
 Norco: Next week
  • 2 0
 Can't forget the v4 wreckoning that's in the works...
  • 2 1
 Yeah so excited for the new colors!
  • 1 0
 Do you know anything about it??
  • 2 0
 The Propain Hugene is my bet. An aluminum option like the tyee as well.
  • 2 0
 with cable routing through the starnut this time
  • 2 0
 Drink every time she says 'heaps'
  • 3 0
 Dreadnaught
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 I think the Specialized Stumpjumper is due for some updates or just totally new design.
  • 3 2
 whats wrong with the current stumpy that requires a totally new design?
  • 1 2
 @arrowheadrush: I try to buy towards the ‘front end’ of the lifecycle of a model to get the best bang for my buck, and the Stumpy is 4 years old. (The previous version was only around for 2 years before it got a redesign)
That being said, I can’t point to any specific aspect of the bike that seems out of date.

Maybe we are just looking at a much more stable and mature market than we’ve had over the past decade. From the perspective of sustainability (and consumer value) this feels like a welcome change.

The biggest thing I’d look at on the Stumpy and Epic Evo are dropper post insertion depth and actual vs. effective seat angle … and size specific chainstay lengths.
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 @arrowheadrush: I don't like the look of the swoopy frame or the frame side support near the shock. Yes, I'm being superficial, but I'm just not fond of the look. Lol. The Stumpjumper Evo looks a little better because of the straighter lines, but still has the side support and a little too slack for me at 63 degree HTA because I like to climb. The new Specialized Levo SL is one of the better looking Specialized bikes to me.
  • 1 0
 @tacklingdummy: The great thing about the EVO is you can just make that a 65 degree HA. Can't do anything about the side support except look at it from non-drive side so it's mostly hidden by the shock.
  • 1 0
 @Genewich: The frame has a flip chip or with an adjustable angleset headset?
  • 2 0
 @tacklingdummy: both. For me, the neutral 64.5* with the EVO is the sweet spot.
  • 1 0
 @stevemokan: Interesting. I have to look into it more. I haven't read much about the frame.
  • 2 0
 @tacklingdummy: It has a chip in the chainstay that changes chainstay length, bb height, and HA by .5, and a +1/0/-1 HA headset. So HA can be from 65.5 to 63 between the two.
  • 2 0
 The Stumpjumper Evo also has a factory Mullet link to run dual 29” or Mullet set up. Highly adjustable Geo, and also the option of cascade link for more progression, and a WRP yoke for another way to run Mullet.

And the sale prices have been hard to beat.
  • 3 0
 Kona Hei Hei?
  • 2 0
 I think Norco will set their “SIGHTS” on a high pivot design.
  • 2 0
 Um....How about the RM Altitude?
  • 2 0
 Altitude.. hope it’s as good as the current one ..
  • 2 0
 Missed Giant Trance X Advanced 29 and SX.
  • 2 0
 Ask Ken Roczen if his 2018 Suzuki can still get it done?
  • 2 0
 They forgot my bike: it will be updated with new tires and brake pads.
  • 1 0
 I heard the Spesh enduro is only getting a UDH chainstay update this year. Full redesign in the next year or 2.
  • 1 0
 IMO the current Optic is still an amazing trail bike. Not sure I'd be too keen on a HP version.
  • 1 0
 None off these bikes are getting update soon until they sell all there old stock or go bust first.
  • 1 0
 How about the Revel Rascal? I am guessing a new version will be out soon, such a great bike.
  • 1 1
 Pivot - tweak the tubes to be more refreshing looking, drop stupidboost, go to threaded bb so I can have some proper sized bearings for 30mm cranks.
  • 1 0
 Looks at recently purchased Izzo, questions decisions made in haste…
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 Nothing to question. That bike rips and will not rip any less. This isn't 2019 and good bikes don't instantly feel dated when the new model comes out the way they were then.

The new version of my bike was released this past year and I'd be hard-pressed to justify an "upgrade." The geometry and suspension are virtually identical. There are some minor tweaks that made sense, but they address issues that I haven't faced in four years on my current ride.
  • 2 0
 Why? It's a great bike, and you alter your HTA with a an angle headset.

I bought an altitude and don't regret anything. There is nothing to change to make it better except for the frame storage.
  • 2 0
 @big-red: I think you could say that for most bikes on this list. Bikes are just so good these days. I couldn't imagine that any new model is going to be a night and day difference to justify upgrading. I have a current gen Stumpy EVO and that thing rides so good. Can't imagine what update would justify me getting a new one.
  • 1 0
 Is there no remedy to save the Remedy from the Fuel EX?
  • 1 0
 great bike, just needed a few tweaks
  • 3 0
 the remedy is cut with the new slash briging the gap
  • 1 0
 My old Remedy is my favorite bike I've ever owned and one of my favorites I've ever ridden. Thing was killer. Current Chameleon up there too.
  • 2 2
 scrolled through the the pics, without looking at names it seemed there were like 18 session looking bikes on the list
  • 1 1
 Regarding Evil following "While the 66.4º head tube angle was a little ahead of its time in 2020" surely a typo.
  • 3 3
 YOu planning on doing one of these for e-bike's as well because there are tons of e-bikes that are ready for updates.
  • 2 1
 What the f is this article suposed to be? news that aren't news?
  • 1 1
 Literally every bike in this list I was saying, "oh yeah, that one too!" out loud to myself.
  • 1 0
 there should be a new altitude in the near future as well
  • 2 0
 What about Ellsworth?
  • 1 0
 Nah the Ellsworth Dare is perfect as is.
  • 1 0
 I think the Niner lineup is past due.
  • 1 0
 Any word of a 2024 Kona Honzo ESD?
  • 2 0
 RIP 27.5 - sad times
  • 1 0
 My bike will not be updated in 2024, unless a new tyre counts?
  • 1 0
 Perhaps Norco simply just nailed their geometry back in 2020?
  • 1 0
 I'm surprised the Ibis Ripley and the Revel Rascal didn't make the list.
  • 1 0
 Anybody? New Intense Primer this year?
  • 1 0
 Somewhere early in there I saw “nifty frame storage”…
  • 1 0
 None of them needs an update imho. All are great ahead of their time.
  • 1 0
 My orange bike could use a touch up
  • 1 0
 High Pivot Optic is coming out this year, I have seen it.
  • 1 0
 Dreadnought v2
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 Ripmo Af, 170 up front like the EWS riders had it, bit more travel out back and geo tweaks to accommodate. That or an HD6 AF. I'll take either!
  • 8 0
 Why would they increase travel on the Ripmo when the HD6 just came out? Then they would need a new bike to slot in, between the Ripley and HD6.
  • 2 0
 @Glory831Guy: A 29er rather than a mullet?
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 150 I guess, no more, and hopefully keep 160 front.
  • 2 0
 @Glory831Guy: "That or an HD6 AF. I'll take either!"

I just want a bigger alu ibis that is a more park friendly. and don't really wanna build a new wheel for the back, but would. Not a carbon guy.
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 @Glory831Guy: Yeah- I would not be sad to see the Ripmo at 140/150 and Ripley at 120/130 just to keep things simple. An alloy HD6 would make a lot of folks happy… hopefully they can make that happen.

My vote for Ibis in 2024 - straight top tubes and alloy + carbon options for all three of these models please!

I would also love to see a mullet option for the Ripmo if it gets an update.
  • 2 0
 I run my AF at 170mm and with a Cascade link for a little more rear travel. Works great and still pedals really well for a 36lb bike. Best of both worlds for a budget park/trail bike.
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 @basic-ti-hardtail: I run my Ripmo with a 50mm stroke shock so basically 130mm rear with a 140-150 fork, its perfect! next i am going to add a specialized flip chip in the yoke and experiment with that for a mullet.
  • 1 0
 @bogmonster: you could experiment with one of these also. Might be easier than changing out the yoke.

www.offsetbushings.com/collections/metric-shock-bushings/products/mtb-shock-bushing-15mm-x-8mm
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 I think the Ripmo and Ripley, if they get updated, will get the design language of the HD6 with *slight* geometry changes
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 @bones89: I used to have the same set up and it ripped. Ended up grabbing a Dreadnought at 45% off so I couldn't resist. But the Ripmo didn't give up much overall. More maneuverable but would get dropped in the fast chunk
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 @pmhobson: That's what I'm counting on. I want to replace my Ripmo V1 this year, with something slightly slacker. The HD6 is too much, but an updated Ripmo should be just the ticket.
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 @MtbSince84: I'm in exactly the same position, a shame you're so far away or we could go bike shopping!
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 They should really do a HD6 AF. That would go right onto my short list. Not interested in the HD6 currently as it's carbon only.
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 @Muscovir: They 100% should AF this frame. Looks beautiful in plastic, but I'll take the cheap metal stuff
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 @bogmonster: Interesting... Have you noticed much of a difference in 'pop' or 'platform'? I've run my Ripmo V2 with a 150mm Fox36 and didn't see any negatives for overall handling. I'm running 160mm now which is a touch better in the steep stuff.

I looked into doing the 50mm stroke shock a while back and reached out to Ibis. They said 'please don't... it wasn't designed for that' (but that's a pretty standard industry response).

So I've ended up keeping the Ripmo as is, and have an Epic Evo with a longer stroke shock and 130mm fork for when I want a light 'xc / trail' bike.
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 @basic-ti-hardtail: I love it! I live in the Midwest so 130-140 bikes are plenty. With the shorter stroke it is has more pop and pedal response is quicker. I am running a new super deluxe air with the HBO so I can set the end of the stroke ramp up. Running a pike ultimate at 150 , super fun!! More trail than plow. I still have stock stroke shock and big fork to swap on for rowdy days.
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 Why can't mountain bike geometry become like snowboard shapes. Find the right spec and stick with it.
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 Because there is more to a mountain bike than a snowboard.
Also, changes to suspension, brake, and tire technology impact what the bike is capable of, allowing for different geometry.
There’s a reason you didn’t see super-slack bikes in the early and mid-2000s, they did what they could with the technology.
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 @nickfranko: bro, i was running 200mm of travel on my mtb back in the 90s.

okay, we welded a Showa fork off a Kawasaki Ninja onto a GT, but still....
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 Well they can but how would they sell new bikes? They know which designs work and which don’t. They just mix and match whenever the old model isn’t selling. I’m guessing Snowboards are a lot like skateboards and get beat up and need replacing regardless. A mountain bike could last forever and they need that repeat business, just look at Orange bikes for an example.
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 @singletrackslayer: Pix or it didn't happen!
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 @nickfranko: Not really. How many different head angles and reach modifications can a company make? We already have anglesets and adjustable reach headsets. And I'm not talking about component changes year to year. Most people I know only run OEM parts until they can upgrade anyways. I'd rather have the opportunity to build a quiver of current bikes than needing to upgrade my current one every 3-4 model years because of an unnecessarily standard change.
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 You apparently haven't been paying attention to snowboard shapes.
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 @onemanarmy: Capita Super DOA has been the same shape for 10 years. As have most of their models. They've perfected the shapes, they just have a lot of them. Why can't bikes do the same thing. How much more can you tweak geo in MTB? Just start making more models so people have options.
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 @chriskneeland: And many many other brands have been experimenting with shapes and technologies HEAVILY over the last few years.

My Burton Fish has a similar outer shape over the years but as an example, my brother's is flat with early rise nose. Mine is flat with early rise nose but has an inverted 3D shape in the rear for the snow to funnel through and the nose is like a boat hull. They ride COMPLETELY different even though from the top down they look almost identical.

My buddy bought a YES this year. It's got an inverted 3D nose with spooned tail. My other buddy is on a yes that runs a fairly standard base layout but has a step notched side rail and indented tail for increased pop.

Then you've got the changes in materials. Carbon bands. Bamboo. Different fiberglasses. Different epoxies. Etc.

So you've got your low end stuff that maintains pretty tried and true shapes and technologies like the Capita board.... same thing in the bike industry. You'll have bike companies that don't make massive updates very often. But your high end stuff is ALWAYS changing. That's one of the things you're paying for.

You can get by on a 10 year old board and lots of people do it. Some of us don't. I road my old Sierra board fora. long long time. It was basically a Burton board with carbon stringers added. It worked fine. You could tell when it started losing pop, etc. But the shape was fine. I'm on a Burton Flight Attendant now. More modern shape. More modern layout method in regards to materials, bands, etc.... it's so much better it's not even funny.
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 @onemanarmy: Ya I'm not denying that there's still innovation. But you don't' find companies changing or discontinuing established models or shapes. There's an optimal shape and stiffness for each type of riding. The mountain bike industry should just adopt that philosophy. We've seen 5-10 years of geometry progression. We're at the end of that now.
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 Reading some of the thoughts on next gen geometry it will be re-steepening HTA back to 64 deg(ish) and move to higher stack......just like current Mega.....no updates need for Nukeproof :-)
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 @JasenK: I hope we see a trend back to adjustability.
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 I mean that is sort of exactly whats starting to happen right now. Technical development has slowed right down and is mostly limited to evolution rather than revolution. And geometry is largely converging on what's considered modern today. Bikes of today will age very well.
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 Ski/Snowboard gear is boring for the fact that it just kinda works for years and years.
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 @jesse-effing-edwards: I'd rather have boring and works than unnecessarily changing and expensive.
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 Devinci Troy with Pinion pretty please.
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 You guys forgot the transition TR11. One ancient DH bike.
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 They updated it last year
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 @norcalbike: minor tweaks. Still outdated
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